The Coronavirus, not the beer
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Duh....that's common in academic research. We simpletons dont understand.
In that rant he is just defending our rights.
sturg33
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He said his authority was 'total' and he has the final say over states.
This is not true.
I've been proud of him for resisting taking control while goldy and sav say hes unwilling to lead.
They may finally get their wish of Trump taking full control
He not to soon afterwards said in the matter being discussed.
Ultimately it's a constitutional issue and unless there is a very obvious issue a state cant restrict our freedoms. Not sure how that type of dispute would play out in court but I'd hope that the federal government would win if my rights are the prize.
sturg33
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I'm not talking about constitutional rights I'm talking about the 10th amendment
I know what you were referencing in the past post. I'm just saying that Trump is not trying to seize more control than he should.
sturg33
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"When someone is president of the United States, their authority is total."
That is a very concerning quote. Despite goldy and sav begging for it.
I get it. It's a terrible statement.
Not too soon afterwards he clarified the statement.
Metaphysicist
Not Actually Brian Hunter
What is the "unlikely event" in this scenario?
nsacpi
Expects Yuge Games
laidership is not the same as trampling on the constitutional structure. It is beyond obvious that different levels of government need to coordinate as we bring the economy out of hibernation. I'm guessing they will find a way out of necessity.
I find it so fascinating that the libertarian faction just cannot understand this.
Nobody wanted Trump to shut down everything using his executive pen. He could have coordinated the federal response with the state response much smoother. If something good happens, he will be the first to take credit about it saying he's done a great job, when something isn't working he will be the first to throw the governors and local leaders under the bus and take zero blame. It's his job to tell the governors I am here to give you guys whatever you need, and here to distribute things efficiently. He is the parent that sends his kids to school without school supplies then gets mad at the teachers for his kid getting bad grades.
The quarterback runs the offense and calls the plays. He can hand the ball off to the running back and the runningback can run 60 yards for a touchdown. He can throw a 5 yard pass to a receiver and the receiver figures out how to get the extra 60 yards. The best QBs facilitate and put their players in the best position to succeed.
It's seems likely, that the intelligence briefings Trump received, he did not distribute it down the chain to states to let them know how bad it was. He himself didn't think it was a bad thing.
If DeSantis and Kemp and Mississippi didn't shut down their states until Trump told them to, then he apparently wasted his influence.
sturg33
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Global population increases 6x. America colonized the globe. Meteor hits the globe killing all of us
Metaphysicist
Not Actually Brian Hunter
Ignoring the mischaracterization of what people were previously criticizing Trump for, there is an interesting constitutional question being raised. There are actually two different powers at issue:
1) The power of the Federal Government to intervene and impose some form of lockdown. Assuming Congress is on board, does the interstate commerce power allow the government to regulate businesses into some kind of lockdown measure? I don't think the answer is open and shut either way. The answer given during most of the 20th century would probably have been "yes," but the Rehnquist and Roberts courts have been much more hesitant to allow Congress an expansive use of the commerce power. It's hard to really argue a pandemic doesn't affect interstate commerce, but I highly doubt the court would allow an unbridled lockdown with no restrictions whatsoever. It's a tough question I think.
2) The power to stop the states from having their own lockdown. This is what Trump seems to be claiming he can do. Literally no one thinks this is a power the president has through the Commerce Clause, as far as I can see (except maybe a liberal strawman created by conservatives?). The states obviously have their own police powers; the idea that the Federal Government could just cancel those powers is really out there. The man clearly has no idea how the constitution actually works.
There is also no "emergency" power in the Constitution, which is something that many other constitutions have written directly into them. Strictly speaking, that means Trump has very little leeway to play outside the rules. But in practice, the greater the emergency the more forgiving the other branches are gonna be.
At least we'll all die browsing this website on our phones at the same time.
Metaphysicist
Not Actually Brian Hunter
You were joking about the 500k without mitigation. I'm curious what "unlikely event" is behind that number.
nsacpi
Expects Yuge Games
I've been playing around with the data trying to understand a plausible scenario for how many Americans were infected and contagious at various points in time (which is not the same as the number who have taken a test and returned a positive result). I offer the following. Just curious what everyone's thoughts are on this.
Dec 15 2,000
Jan 15 20,000
Feb 15 200,000
Mar 15 2,000,000
Around March 15, various measures were put into place to slow its progression.
Without those measures, I would guesstimate that on April 15 it would be 20,000,000.
With those measures, I'm guesstimating on April 15 it will be around 3,000,000.
Thoughts?
Dec 15 2,000
Jan 15 20,000
Feb 15 200,000
Mar 15 2,000,000
Around March 15, various measures were put into place to slow its progression.
Without those measures, I would guesstimate that on April 15 it would be 20,000,000.
With those measures, I'm guesstimating on April 15 it will be around 3,000,000.
Thoughts?
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