Braves sign Gavin Floyd 1 yr 4M + incentives

emk418 said:
I'm sorry but I just don't understand this. Why make a move like this still pretty early in the offseason and prevent us from other SP moves? This would be a decent signing in January if we've exhausted all other options but not now.

I've been the biggest Wren supporter over the years but I'm starting to really question his decision making.
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What are these other SP moves that you think he should be making?
 
Signing Gavin Floyd for small money doesn't prevent us from doing anything. If we sign him, the rotation status quo stays the same: Minor-Teheran-Medlen-Beachy-Wood going into spring training, with Hale fighting for time. If we like that prospect, we'll stay with it. If we don't, we can still make a move. You sign Floyd on the idea that, when he's healthy, there's a pretty solid chance someone in that rotation will be hurt or struggling. Nothing about a Gavin Floyd signing means that Samardzija or any other pitcher is out of the question.
 
emk418 said:
I want Samardzija and maybe I'm wrong but I think this takes us out of the running.
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I also think we should be making a serious offer for Samardzija. I don't think us getting Floyd has much effect on how the front office views things with respect to Samardzija.
 
nsacpi said:
Who are the two big injury question marks. As I see it Floyd is the sixth guy in case anything happens to one of the other five. He has a similar role as Beachy had last year.
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Beachy and Floyd are both injury risks. Beachy could very easily never play baseball again.
 
MadduxFanII said:
Signing Gavin Floyd for small money doesn't prevent us from doing anything. If we sign him, the rotation status quo stays the same: Minor-Teheran-Medlen-Beachy-Wood going into spring training, with Hale fighting for time. If we like that prospect, we'll stay with it. If we don't, we can still make a move. You sign Floyd on the idea that, when he's healthy, there's a pretty solid chance someone in that rotation will be hurt or struggling. Nothing about a Gavin Floyd signing means that Samardzija or any other pitcher is out of the question.
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I agree totally. Depending on the dollars involved and structure of the Floyd deal, I'd go even further and say that this might make a Samardzija deal even a little more likely. If the deal contains a 2015 option, you could argue that this might make Wren even more likely to include Wood in a Samardzija trade if that's what it takes to seal it.

Rotation options as is (assuming Floyd deal):

Medlen

Minor

Teheran

Beachy

Wood

Floyd

Hale

Assuming a Samardzija trade involving Wood:

Samardzija

Minor

Medlen

Teheran

Beachy

Floyd

Graham

Hale

If Floyd's deal contains an option, it certainly makes including Wood much easier to swallow. Then your 2015 rotation options include more than enough quality arms to reduce any need to rush a Sims or Cabrera. It would also give you three opportunities to trade Floyd for controllable assets if he proves healthy (2014 deadline, 2014 offseason, 2015 deadline).
 
emk418 said:
I'm sorry but I just don't understand this. Why make a move like this still pretty early in the offseason and prevent us from other SP moves? This would be a decent signing in January if we've exhausted all other options but not now.

I've been the biggest Wren supporter over the years but I'm starting to really question his decision making.
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Who says this option would be there in January. This is an option for depth. Something our rotation has needed a lot the past two seasons. We have a really good 1-5 imo with Wood and Beachy at the back end. But the chances of them staying healthy all year is pretty slim. There aren't any SPs available that are clear upgrades over what we have unless we want to blow the farm for Price which isn't going to happen.
 
We need rotational depth. Floyd is that. Can't really complain about this move at all. Braves cannot have guys like Cameron Loe and Freddy Garcia having a big role in the stretch run.
 
zitothebrave said:
Can't really complain about this move at all.
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... until terms are finalized/released. It's not outside of the realm of possibility that Floyd could get over $5MM base, with incentives. Not a particularly crazy number, but I guarantee people will still flip out.
 
Btw if our rotation is Medlen, Minor, Beachy, Teheran and Wood that would be an all-home grown rotation. I can't think of the last time that happened. We always had a guy like Leibrandt who came from another organization.
 
If this is a depth move and were still in the market for a Samrdzija type then it's a good move. But if this is it for the rotatin it's questionable.
 
I hope with that kind of money he's ready in May, because if he isn't that's a lot of $ for a guy who can't pitch half the year.
 
Hawk said:
@jcrasnick: Gavin Floyd has passed physical and agreed to deal with #braves. He'll make $4M base and can earn $4.5M more in incentives.
[ http://twitter.com/jcrasnick/status/412617227074953216 ]

@jcrasnick: There's no club option for 2015 in Floyd's deal with #braves. Contract includes performance and roster bonuses.
[ http://twitter.com/jcrasnick/status/412617888357285888 ]
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More than I would have liked, but, not bad if he is healthy and can produce to career norms or better.
 
$4M-$8.5M is not a depth move for a team with payroll constraints like the Braves. If Floyd is Hudson's replacement in the rotation, and Gamel is the power off the bench, then these are not good enough additions. That $8.5M figure is probably the money Wren had slated to resign Hudson to a 1 year deal.

It looks like Wren is not going to fix 2B, and has made bargain bin reclamation project additions (Floyd, EOF/Venters, Gamel) to fill the other areas of need (rotation depth, BP arms, bench bat). This is shaping up to be a very poor offseason where Wren doesn't adequately fill any of the needs this team has.
 
About $1MM under what I predicted, although wasn't expecting the incentives to be quite so lucrative.

This isn't a poor signing by any stretch of the imagination, but I can't help but feel rather ill at ease about it.
 
Solid move. Floyd was worth an average of 3.2 fWAR per season. and 3.3 rWAR.

Obviously with him out until July or so he won't touch that. If he winds up at a 1.7 WAR he'll be well worth it.
 
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