Freeman tests positive

Enscheff said:
Yeah, somewhere along the way, "flatten the curve" has somehow morphed into "eliminate the curve".

Everyone is going to catch this. We aren't going to hide in our homes until it goes away. Viruses don't just blow over like a tornado. One infection will start the outbreak all over again, regardless of how long we hide out.

The idea was to stop the initial surge from overwhelming hospitals. Instead of letting everyone get infected in 6 months, we wanted it to take 18 months so hospitals could handle the load.

We have done that.
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Correct. Play ball!
 
Enscheff said:
Yeah, somewhere along the way, "flatten the curve" has somehow morphed into "eliminate the curve".

Everyone is going to catch this. We aren't going to hide in our homes until it goes away. Viruses don't just blow over like a tornado. One infection will start the outbreak all over again, regardless of how long we hide out.

The idea was to stop the initial surge from overwhelming hospitals. Instead of letting everyone get infected in 6 months, we wanted it to take 18 months so hospitals could handle the load.

We have done that.
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You wanna kill grandma... or make her really sick... or even if she doesn't get sick, she'll have long term issues... or something
 
Enscheff said:
Yeah, somewhere along the way, "flatten the curve" has somehow morphed into "eliminate the curve".

Everyone is going to catch this. We aren't going to hide in our homes until it goes away. Viruses don't just blow over like a tornado. One infection will start the outbreak all over again, regardless of how long we hide out.

The idea was to stop the initial surge from overwhelming hospitals. Instead of letting everyone get infected in 6 months, we wanted it to take 18 months so hospitals could handle the load.

We have done that.
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That's largely been my thought process as well. The narrative has changed for some reason.
 
msstate7 said:
You wanna kill grandma... or make her really sick... or even if she doesn't get sick, she'll have long term issues... or something
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This reaction (I know you made in jest), is part of the problem. All of a sudden, we can't even have the discussion about the best way to protect the vulnerable populations.

Is it really best to have everyone wear masks to prevent infecting folks likely to die from it? Or is it smarter to isolate the vulnerable, and let everyone else go about their business?

Is it simply impossible to isolate these people because they interact with too many people, even in a state of isolation?

I don't know the answers, but we aren't even having the discussion. It's nothing but folks disagreeing with whatever the "other side" says, and it starts at the very top where the man supposed to lead has the worst inferiority complex imaginable. He will be an object of study in psych books for the next 100 years.
 
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Enscheff said:
This reaction (I know you made in jest), is part of the problem. All of a sudden, we can't even have the discussion about the best way to protect the vulnerable populations.

Is it really best to have everyone wear masks to prevent infecting folks likely to die from it? Or is it smarter to isolate the vulnerable, and let everyone else go about their business?

Is it simply impossible to isolate these people because they interact with too many people, even in a state of isolation?

I don't know the answers, but we aren't even having the discussion. It's nothing but folks disagreeing with whatever the "other side" says, and it starts at the very top where the man supposed to lead has the worst inferiority complex imaginable. He will be an object of study in psych books for the next 100 years.
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I don't see why we can't do both. Isolate the vulnerable when possible and wear masks while in public. No need to shut things down. It really shouldn't be this hard.
 
thewupk said:
I don't see why we can't do both. Isolate the vulnerable when possible and wear masks while in public. No need to shut things down. It really shouldn't be this hard.
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No, but when the morons of this country are rebelling against knowledge itself with the backing of the executive branch, it is impossible to make anything reasonable happen.

Perhaps I've just been paying more attention lately, but I've never seen more stupid people who think they know more about topics than subject matter experts. It is truly alarming to see this attitude where folks believe their ignorant opinions on things carry as much weight as expert opinions. When the experts end up being wrong in any way, they use that as proof that they aren't experts, and the ignorant opinions are somehow correct because of it. When the ignorant opinions are proven incorrect, the discussion always turns to logical fallacies, usually false equivalencies, and never EVER acknowledged as wrong.

I know a guy who stocks shelves at Costco tell me he doesn't think masks prevent the spread of disease. This is despite the fact medical personnel have been using them for decades upon decades to do exactly that. He truly believes he is knowledgeable on the subject...and doctors don't know anything. He saw a video somewhere that for some reason carries more weight in his mind than all medical experts on the planet. It is baffling.

You can go over the the locker room board and find tehteh make post after post touting the most recent right-wing pseudo-science he has found. When it is proven wrong literally days later, he just ignores it and moves onto the next silly bit of "data" he found somewhere. He is literally exactly the same ignoramus in real life as he is about baseball related topics, and really thinks he is an expert. He is the only person capable of understanding what's really going on.

I don't get it....it's so odd.
 
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Enscheff said:
No, but when the morons of this country are rebelling against knowledge itself with the backing of the executive branch, it is impossible to make anything reasonable happen.

Perhaps I've just been paying more attention lately, but I've never seen more stupid people who think they know more about topics than subject matter experts. It is truly alarming to see this attitude where folks believe their ignorant opinions on things carry as much weight as experts.

I know a guy who stocks shelves at Costco tell me he doesn't think masks prevent the spread of disease. This is despite the fact medical personnel have been using them for decades upon decades to do exactly that. He truly believes he is knowledgeable on the subject...and doctors don't know anything. He saw a video somewhere that for some reason carries more weight in his mind than all medical experts on the planet. It is baffling.

You can go over the the locker room board and find tehteh make post after post touting the most recent right-wing pseudo-science he has found. When it is proven wrong literally days later, he just ignores it and moves onto the next silly bit of "data" he found somewhere. He is literally exactly the same ignoramus in real life as he is about baseball related topics, and really thinks he is an expert.

I don't get it....it's so odd.
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Tom Nichols wrote a book about this.
 
Enscheff said:
No, but when the morons of this country are rebelling against knowledge itself with the backing of the executive branch, it is impossible to make anything reasonable happen.

Perhaps I've just been paying more attention lately, but I've never seen more stupid people who think they know more about topics than subject matter experts. It is truly alarming to see this attitude where folks believe their ignorant opinions on things carry as much weight as expert opinions. When the experts end up being wrong in any way, they use that as proof that they aren't experts, and the ignorant opinions are somehow correct because of it. When the ignorant opinions are proven incorrect, the discussion always turns to logical fallacies, usually false equivalencies, and never EVER acknowledged as wrong.

I know a guy who stocks shelves at Costco tell me he doesn't think masks prevent the spread of disease. This is despite the fact medical personnel have been using them for decades upon decades to do exactly that. He truly believes he is knowledgeable on the subject...and doctors don't know anything. He saw a video somewhere that for some reason carries more weight in his mind than all medical experts on the planet. It is baffling.

You can go over the the locker room board and find tehteh make post after post touting the most recent right-wing pseudo-science he has found. When it is proven wrong literally days later, he just ignores it and moves onto the next silly bit of "data" he found somewhere. He is literally exactly the same ignoramus in real life as he is about baseball related topics, and really thinks he is an expert. He is the only person capable of understanding what's really going on.

I don't get it....it's so odd.
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Things have been this way around here for decades (not just the last three years) unfortunately. Lots of folks are just more convinced they know more than intelligent people because their mouthpiece is louder and finally lives on Pennsylvania Avenue.

The sad thing is that it's neither baffling or odd to many of us - it's simply "the south".
 
clvclv said:
Things have been this way around here for decades (not just the last three years) unfortunately. Lots of folks are just more convinced they know more than intelligent people because their mouthpiece is louder and finally lives on Pennsylvania Avenue.
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I think the difference is in how much more blunt and brazen they are about it now.
 
thewupk said:
This is one of the worst things that social media has brought us. Every idiot with an opinion can now share it with the masses.
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And feels it's their RESPONSIBILITY to make *amn sure everyone hears it as many times as possible.

I know he's pretty polarizing for a lot of people, but will give Bill Maher a little credit. He correctly predicted this as far back as the 2016 campaign - going so far as to say that during a Trump reign we'd reach the point where the knowledgeable would somehow be expected to apologize for possessing knowledge. "Shut up you pretentious Ivy Leaguers, what could you possibly know? I took Annie Savoy's English Lit class at Alamance Junior College for two weeks."

I'm quite sure this situation wasn't exactly what he had in mind when he said that, but it appears we've reached that point nevertheless.

The scariest part about all this is that these people actually believe that we can somehow back away from every commitment we've made in today's much more globalized world and somehow stand on our own when everyone is so dependent on technological advancements - I've heard "we don't need to deal with the Chinese/Japanese/Middle East/insert your favorite" so many times I'm almost numb to it and unwilling to try to calmly explain that's simply not the case. There are people around here (granted, I live in BFE) that actually believe that if everybody would just get out of his way that Trump could snap his fingers and the "good old days" would mysteriously appear again. Don't worry about the fact that he's provided nothing resembling a plan to make that happen, just "trust me".
 
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clvclv said:
And feels it's their RESPONSIBILITY to make *amn sure everyone hears it as many times as possible.

I know he's pretty polarizing for a lot of people, but will give Bill Maher a little credit. He correctly predicted this as far back as the 2016 campaign - going so far as to say that during a Trump reign we'd reach the point where the knowledgeable would somehow be expected to apologize for possessing knowledge. "Shut up you pretentious Ivy Leaguers, what could you possibly know? I took Annie Savoy's English Lit class at Alamance Junior College for two weeks."

I'm quite sure this situation wasn't exactly what he had in mind when he said that, but it appears we've reached that point nevertheless.

The scariest part about all this is that these people actually believe that we can somehow back away from every commitment we've made in today's much more globalized world and somehow stand on our own when everyone is so dependent on technological advancements - I've heard "we don't need to deal with the Chinese/Japanese/Middle East/insert your favorite" so many times I'm almost numb to it and unwilling to try to calmly explain that's simply not the case. There are people around here (granted, I live in BFE) that actually believe that if everybody would just get out of his way that Trump could snap his fingers and the "good old days" would mysteriously appear again. Don't worry about the fact that he's provided nothing resembling a plan to make that happen, just "trust me".
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Whats really amusing is to willfully ignore all the things the experts have gotten wrong the past few decades. But we should still listen without question.
 
Enscheff said:
Yeah, somewhere along the way, "flatten the curve" has somehow morphed into "eliminate the curve".

Everyone is going to catch this. We aren't going to hide in our homes until it goes away. Viruses don't just blow over like a tornado. One infection will start the outbreak all over again, regardless of how long we hide out.

The idea was to stop the initial surge from overwhelming hospitals. Instead of letting everyone get infected in 6 months, we wanted it to take 18 months so hospitals could handle the load.

We have done that.
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This is exactly correct. The idea is to reopen business as much as possible to turn the economy around while the virus makes its way slowly or moderately through the population, particularly those who are at the least amount of risk. Generally speaking, 20-40 year old athletes are among those at the least amount of risk outside of those aged 1-19. Those 60ish and above should isolate as much as possible, and yes that includes coaches.
 
Tapate50 said:
Lets get this thread back on topic guys. Don't want to close another.
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Here you go

Someone said they hoped Ball would be added to 60 man roster. He has according to MLBTR


The Braves have added first base prospect Bryce Ball to their 60-man player pool, per a club announcement. David Lee of bravesprospects.com first reported the news.
 
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