striker42
Well-known member
I'm not so sure about lying more. He lies more brazenly for sure but I'm not sure about quantity. Subtle lying and misdirection is the normal MO of the politician and Trump is anything but a subtle person.
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I'm not so sure about lying more. He lies more brazenly for sure but I'm not sure about quantity. Subtle lying and misdirection is the normal MO of the politician and Trump is anything but a subtle person.
zbhargrove
Well-known member
There's your mistake... he's a liar that puts himself first. He's done it his entire documented career. The greatest con in history is making all you saps thinks he actually cares about America.
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weso1
<B>Clique Leader</B>
What would the reaction on the left be if Biden offered to make Jared Kushner a foreign policy advisor? Hard to argue that Kushner is not having a big influence on positive developments. The US should continue pursuing his strategy no matter who wins the presidency.
msstate7
Well-known member
She's genuinely concerned. She was so distraught that she drew her eyebrows like she'd been drinking, but I know it was actually just concern.
msstate7
Well-known member
This may explains why so many idiots compare Trump to hitler...
https://www.pix11.com/news/national...nvhC1XcOcwVxXwl-jXL2ozbm3DO6qVkUsxTpk709882mE
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Our education system is raising idiots.
https://www.pix11.com/news/national...nvhC1XcOcwVxXwl-jXL2ozbm3DO6qVkUsxTpk709882mE
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Our education system is raising idiots.
Oklahomahawk
Boras' Client
Nah dude, that just proves she has kids and they're probably teenagers. lol
nsacpi
Expects Yuge Games
She has adult step-children.
And a laugh to be proud of. Laughter is a healthy thing.
nsacpi
Expects Yuge Games
When I spoke with Olivia Troye on Thursday afternoon, she sounded more than a little scared. She was about to go public with a scorching video, in which she would denounce President Donald Trump and his stewardship of the country during the coronavirus pandemic. Troye, who served as Vice-President Mike Pence’s adviser for homeland security until late July, has witnessed the Administration’s response to the crisis, as Pence’s top aide on the White House coronavirus task force. She had seen Trump rant in private about Fox News coverage as his public-health advisers desperately tried to get him to focus on a disease that has now killed some two hundred thousand Americans. She had decided that Trump was lying to the American public about the disease, and that “words matter, especially when you’re the President of the United States,” and that it was time to speak out. She was nervous and scared and worried for her family and her career. But she plunged ahead anyway.
I asked about her firsthand observation of the President during the crisis. She said that Trump was “disruptive.” That he could not “focus.” That he was consumed by himself and his prospects in November. “For him, it was all about the election,” Troye told me. “He just can’t seem to care about anyone else besides himself.”
Troye joined the coronavirus task force when it was first established, in late January, before any Americans had died from covid-19. Her experience on it, Troye told me, convinced her that Trump’s handling of the situation—the conscious spreading of disinformation, the disregard for the task force’s work—had made the crisis far worse for Americans. She warned about the President’s push for a vaccine before the November election and said that she did not trust him to do the right thing for the country’s health and safety. “What I’m really concerned about is if they rush this vaccine and pressure people and get something out because they want to save the election,” she said.
Troye is the first White House staff member who has worked on the coronavirus response to speak out publicly against Trump, but the President and the Administration she described were drearily consistent with portraits that have emerged in countless other tell-all interviews and books: a White House riven by backstabbing and suspicion, where trouble flowed from the top and good governance was subordinate to Presidential whim and partisan calculation. She told me she believed that most other staffers on the coronavirus task force were genuinely motivated to help Americans weather the pandemic but that Trump blocked them from implementing the right policies. “Everything that you’re putting in place is derailed not just by a random person—it’s derailed by a No. 1. It’s derailed by the person at the very top,” she said.
In the video, Troye recounts when Trump, a noted germaphobe, met with the coronavirus task force, early on in the crisis, and told its members that perhaps the pandemic was a good thing because he would no longer have to shake hands with all the “disgusting people” at his rallies and other public events. During our interview, I asked Troye if she could remember other particularly memorable times when Trump spoke privately to the group. She recalled how Trump refused several times to consider urgent business that the task force presented to him, deciding “to talk about himself and a preferred news network and how upset he was with them, instead of focussing on the agenda at hand.” Fox News coverage, in other words, preoccupied the President more than saving American lives. I asked Troye if that shocked her. “No,” she said. She remembered what she thought at the time: “This is exactly what you would expect.”
In the end, this is what struck me most during my conversation with Troye: she is young, only forty-three years old, with a long career ahead of her, and she was willing to put it all on the line publicly, while people like Mattis and Kelly were not. That contrast could not have been more stark as I read a Coats Op-Ed in the Times which published the same day as Troye’s video. Coats, clearly referring to Trump’s recent undermining of faith in the upcoming election, said that a national commission should be established by Congress to insure confidence in this fall’s voting. Coats never once referenced Trump by name, and he has never publicly come forward to share with Americans his misgivings about the President. Why not? He is a veteran U.S. senator and a former U.S. ambassador who closed out his career as the head of the massive U.S. intelligence bureaucracy. What does he have to risk?
Olivia Troye, with much more to lose—and with none of the stature of a former member of Congress or a former Marine general—had much more courage than all of them. She went ahead when they have not, knowing that she would be attacked. And, sure enough, when the video went online, the White House released a comment about her that was harsh and personal. Her direct supervisor in Pence’s office, Lieutenant General Keith Kellogg, told the Washington Post that Troye was a “disgruntled” former detailee from the Department of Homeland Security who was “no longer capable of keeping up with her day-to-day duties.” Later, when Pence himself was asked about Troye, he told reporters she was just “one more disgruntled employee who’s left the White House [and] decided to play politics during an election year.” When I spoke with Troye once more, on Thursday evening, she was bracing for more such comments from powerful men.
I asked her if she was bothered by the failure of senior officials who share her views to speak out as she had done. Troye was generous. “I know that I am not alone, and how hard it is,” she said. But, she added—and this is a point that cannot be repeated enough between now and November 3rd—this is not a time for silence. “I hope that this will encourage other voices who were obviously much more senior than I was to tell the truth about the situation here we’re in,” she said. “And how dangerous this is.”
https://www.newyorker.com/news/lett...n-trumps-narcissistic-mishandling-of-covid-19
I asked about her firsthand observation of the President during the crisis. She said that Trump was “disruptive.” That he could not “focus.” That he was consumed by himself and his prospects in November. “For him, it was all about the election,” Troye told me. “He just can’t seem to care about anyone else besides himself.”
Troye joined the coronavirus task force when it was first established, in late January, before any Americans had died from covid-19. Her experience on it, Troye told me, convinced her that Trump’s handling of the situation—the conscious spreading of disinformation, the disregard for the task force’s work—had made the crisis far worse for Americans. She warned about the President’s push for a vaccine before the November election and said that she did not trust him to do the right thing for the country’s health and safety. “What I’m really concerned about is if they rush this vaccine and pressure people and get something out because they want to save the election,” she said.
Troye is the first White House staff member who has worked on the coronavirus response to speak out publicly against Trump, but the President and the Administration she described were drearily consistent with portraits that have emerged in countless other tell-all interviews and books: a White House riven by backstabbing and suspicion, where trouble flowed from the top and good governance was subordinate to Presidential whim and partisan calculation. She told me she believed that most other staffers on the coronavirus task force were genuinely motivated to help Americans weather the pandemic but that Trump blocked them from implementing the right policies. “Everything that you’re putting in place is derailed not just by a random person—it’s derailed by a No. 1. It’s derailed by the person at the very top,” she said.
In the video, Troye recounts when Trump, a noted germaphobe, met with the coronavirus task force, early on in the crisis, and told its members that perhaps the pandemic was a good thing because he would no longer have to shake hands with all the “disgusting people” at his rallies and other public events. During our interview, I asked Troye if she could remember other particularly memorable times when Trump spoke privately to the group. She recalled how Trump refused several times to consider urgent business that the task force presented to him, deciding “to talk about himself and a preferred news network and how upset he was with them, instead of focussing on the agenda at hand.” Fox News coverage, in other words, preoccupied the President more than saving American lives. I asked Troye if that shocked her. “No,” she said. She remembered what she thought at the time: “This is exactly what you would expect.”
In the end, this is what struck me most during my conversation with Troye: she is young, only forty-three years old, with a long career ahead of her, and she was willing to put it all on the line publicly, while people like Mattis and Kelly were not. That contrast could not have been more stark as I read a Coats Op-Ed in the Times which published the same day as Troye’s video. Coats, clearly referring to Trump’s recent undermining of faith in the upcoming election, said that a national commission should be established by Congress to insure confidence in this fall’s voting. Coats never once referenced Trump by name, and he has never publicly come forward to share with Americans his misgivings about the President. Why not? He is a veteran U.S. senator and a former U.S. ambassador who closed out his career as the head of the massive U.S. intelligence bureaucracy. What does he have to risk?
Olivia Troye, with much more to lose—and with none of the stature of a former member of Congress or a former Marine general—had much more courage than all of them. She went ahead when they have not, knowing that she would be attacked. And, sure enough, when the video went online, the White House released a comment about her that was harsh and personal. Her direct supervisor in Pence’s office, Lieutenant General Keith Kellogg, told the Washington Post that Troye was a “disgruntled” former detailee from the Department of Homeland Security who was “no longer capable of keeping up with her day-to-day duties.” Later, when Pence himself was asked about Troye, he told reporters she was just “one more disgruntled employee who’s left the White House [and] decided to play politics during an election year.” When I spoke with Troye once more, on Thursday evening, she was bracing for more such comments from powerful men.
I asked her if she was bothered by the failure of senior officials who share her views to speak out as she had done. Troye was generous. “I know that I am not alone, and how hard it is,” she said. But, she added—and this is a point that cannot be repeated enough between now and November 3rd—this is not a time for silence. “I hope that this will encourage other voices who were obviously much more senior than I was to tell the truth about the situation here we’re in,” she said. “And how dangerous this is.”
https://www.newyorker.com/news/lett...n-trumps-narcissistic-mishandling-of-covid-19
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nsacpi
Expects Yuge Games
57Brave
Well-known member
Another hurricane coming to a Republican run state.
You Grasshopper have the attention span of a --- Grasshopper
In the end, this is what struck me most during my conversation with Troye: she is young, only forty-three years old, with a long career ahead of her, and she was willing to put it all on the line publicly, while people like Mattis and Kelly were not. That contrast could not have been more stark as I read a Coats Op-Ed in the Times which published the same day as Troye’s video. Coats, clearly referring to Trump’s recent undermining of faith in the upcoming election, said that a national commission should be established by Congress to insure confidence in this fall’s voting. Coats never once referenced Trump by name, and he has never publicly come forward to share with Americans his misgivings about the President. Why not? He is a veteran U.S. senator and a former U.S. ambassador who closed out his career as the head of the massive U.S. intelligence bureaucracy. What does he have to risk?
Olivia Troye, with much more to lose—and with none of the stature of a former member of Congress or a former Marine general—had much more courage than all of them. She went ahead when they have not, knowing that she would be attacked. And, sure enough, when the video went online, the White House released a comment about her that was harsh and personal. Her direct supervisor in Pence’s office, Lieutenant General Keith Kellogg, told the Washington Post that Troye was a “disgruntled” former detailee from the Department of Homeland Security who was “no longer capable of keeping up with her day-to-day duties.” Later, when Pence himself was asked about Troye, he told reporters she was just “one more disgruntled employee who’s left the White House [and] decided to play politics during an election year.” When I spoke with Troye once more, on Thursday evening, she was bracing for more such comments from powerful men
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57Brave
Well-known member
Charlotte Alter
@CharlotteAlter
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2h
Biden, in an embarrassing senior moment, recites the divergent
biological methods of two possible vaccines
(molecular structure versus immune system enhancement)
and also details the chemical specifics how they have to
be stored and transported.
Awkward!
Adam SerwerSpaghetti
@AdamSerwer
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26m
The “Biden memorized all the questions and answers” talking point
is somewhat in tension with the “Biden has dementia” talking point.
@CharlotteAlter
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2h
Biden, in an embarrassing senior moment, recites the divergent
biological methods of two possible vaccines
(molecular structure versus immune system enhancement)
and also details the chemical specifics how they have to
be stored and transported.
Awkward!
Adam SerwerSpaghetti
@AdamSerwer
·
26m
The “Biden memorized all the questions and answers” talking point
is somewhat in tension with the “Biden has dementia” talking point.
zitothebrave
Connoisseur of Minors
Hate to break this to you, most people I know who're holocaust deniers are not people who are voting against Trump. Most holocaust disinformation is spread on far right parts of the internet.
‘Most people I know who’re deniers” You personally don’t know one person who denies the Holocaust happened. You sure as hell don’t know a group of them. You may know a lot of uneducated people who couldn’t tell you one thing about WW2, but that’s not the same as a person thats educated in Western History and WW2 and says ‘Nazis were bad and that did all sorts of bad stuff but they didn’t have concentration camps’.
msstate7
Well-known member
I have no idea if you're claim is true or not.
My statement about trump definitely made it look like I was referring to just the left being uneducated on the Holocaust, but I didn't mean it like that... both sides seem to be very uneducated on this matter.
57Brave
Well-known member
Our citizenry seems to be ok with raising idiots.
Once we demand more of the administration of to lay out effectual educational programs -- perhaps then we will stand a chance.
But, that will cost money.
We cant have an education system that runs on the cheap and expect it to do anything more than " raise idiots"
you get what you pay for
in policing, in teaching , in infrastructure etc etc etc
But boy, we sure got some cool tanks, infrared night goggles and airplanes
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It is not urban myth that underpaid teachers are having to purchase supplies out of pocket
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I think Kamala is pure evil but I also thought the same as you on this one.