Heyward
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Small sample size but Touki/Ynoa/Wilson/Davidson werent that great. I'd be surprised if AA doesnt get some veteran SP on a solid 1 year deal.
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Small sample size but Touki/Ynoa/Wilson/Davidson werent that great. I'd be surprised if AA doesnt get some veteran SP on a solid 1 year deal.
striker42
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Nice troll job by Bauer. If the Nats were actually meeting with him right now it would be a massive tampering problem. Bauer is still under contract with Cincinnati and no team can talk to him until he's officially a free agent.
Muller, Riley Delgado, Jeffrey Ramos, Miguel Jerez, Lisandro Santos, Hayden Deal, Connor Johnstone, and Troy Bacon are the new ones that have to be added or exposed this winter.
Carlos Martinez, Wendell Rijo, Jack Lopez, Riley Unroe, Tyler Neslony, Odalvi Javier, Alan Rangel, Dilmer Mejia, Gabriel Noguera, Chris Nunn, Thomas Burrows, Kurt Hoekstra, Josh Graham, Corbin Clouse, Bradley Roney, Claudio Custodio, Brandon White, and Sean McLaughlin were already eligible.
Muller's likely the only slam-dunk to be added. Delgado could be a candidate if they let both Camargo and Culberson walk and they want Shewmake to spend the entire season in the minors.
40-Man spots that will be cleared are...
Melancon
Greene
Jackson (probably)
Flowers
Camargo (probably)
Culberson
Hechavarria
Sandoval
Ozuna
Markakis
Inciarte (if everyone crosses their fingers, toes, and eyes)
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Didn't include Inciarte at first because we'll still be responsible for a big chunk - if not all - of his money unless AA finds a sucker. He's likely going to be taking up a roster spot for the foreseeable future since there probably isn't enough money available to just DFA him.
If Inciarte, Camargo, and Jackson are kept and Muller is added, the 40-Man would stand at 34.
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PawPawMaxwell
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Thanks for the list of Rule 5. The other list only Melancon and Ozuna pose a problem in my mind. Not sure I trust Duvall for the long haul but hopefully more info forthcoming on Waters and Pache future.
jpx7
Very Flirtatious, but Doubts What Love Is.
With everybody and their brother trying to cut costs this winter, I kinda wonder if AA won't stick with "the devil you know" for any pen spots that aren't high-leverage. One (if not both) of Touki and Newk probably wind up in the pen, you've still got Weigel, Ynoa, and Sobotka who might fit, and you've got Jeremy Walker and Pfeifer presumably coming off of the 60-Day IL at some point - PLUS Tomlin seems to like it here as much as they like him so he could probably be re-signed to a split-deal for a million bucks again.
I'm not sure that they haven't already told Tomlin he'll be brought back on that type of deal as long as he wants to pitch and that he'll be added to the coaching staff at whatever point they feel like he's not useful anymore.
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For some reason I thought 2021 was a team option.
PawPawMaxwell
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Shoot this one down, someone. Trade Ender for Gary Sanchez. Any interest from either team? What would the overall package have to look like?
Heyward
<B>Voted Worst Poster <br>'13, '14, '15 (Co-Winner
That makes no sense for neither team.
PawPawMaxwell
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Really? Tell me why and then Ill tell you why it may make sense to both teams.
Heyward
<B>Voted Worst Poster <br>'13, '14, '15 (Co-Winner
I dont know if NYY wants to move Gary for Ender, and i'm not sure the Braves even need Gary with TDA and Contreras as catchers next year. And Braves could geta better DH for Gary if thats where you're going. IF NYY wanted to move Gary, i think they could get alot more than Ender even with his value being low.
jpx7
Very Flirtatious, but Doubts What Love Is.
Given that Melancon and Greene are the only high-profile FAs in the bullpen, I could see one of them brought back (more likely Melancon, given where he's at in his career-earnings), with the other spot (plus the potential non-tender of Luke Jackson) as the primary gaps to fill. Or they let both go—the winter market is hard to read this year (for obvious reasons).
But I think you want a more robust competition than just internal guys—look at what Matzek has added to the roster this year (and he's a guy who could be stretched out to a fifth starter if they're feeling frisky). Hence why I brought up Biagini: he has elite spin-rates, but he's 30 and was terrible for Houston this year (albiet in a small sample) as well as after the trade last year. Seems like the perfect sort of guy to throw a flier at—especially since MLBTR is speculating he'll probably have to settle for a minor-league deal initially, but has another year of arbitration eligibility beyond 2021 should he work out. That seems like an Anthopoulos Special right there.
As for Toussaint: I still buy him more as a starter than a bullpen option. Samples are again small, but at the MLB level he's been much worse out of the bullpen; and I think his repertoire plays better in a multi-inning role. Despite a couple elite offerings in the arsenal, his lack of progress with control/command means he'll probably never be better than a twice-through-order fifth-starter—but if he can at least improve that far, it's valuable, and there's stuff to dream on a further corner-turn.
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Horsehide Harry
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I could see something more along the lines of Inciarte for Grichuk. Toronto wants to move Grichuk and his money: 21/$10.33M, 22/$9.33M, 23/9.33M but still need a viable CF
Ender is: 21/$8M, 22/$9M club option or $1M buyout.
Grichuk wouldn't play CF for the Braves where his defense is a liability, but would be a move toward replacing Ozuna as a corner RH OF bat/DH where you can expect a ~750 OPS with some power.
Both are underwater contracts as far as trade value. Grichuk has the higher upside but more money and time committed. Ender had a much worse 2020 so the Braves might need to include a minor throw in to get the deal done.
Ender is: 21/$8M, 22/$9M club option or $1M buyout.
Grichuk wouldn't play CF for the Braves where his defense is a liability, but would be a move toward replacing Ozuna as a corner RH OF bat/DH where you can expect a ~750 OPS with some power.
Both are underwater contracts as far as trade value. Grichuk has the higher upside but more money and time committed. Ender had a much worse 2020 so the Braves might need to include a minor throw in to get the deal done.
Nerfherders
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I'd love to have Melancon back. He's been solid and I love having the other high K guys in other high-leverage situations.
Horsehide Harry
<B>Mr. Free Trade</B>
I think Melancon has to go due to his age unless he is super cheap.
Greene really hasn't been trusted all that much since he arrived. I guess it would depend on the type contract and amount he wants.
I might kick the tires on Wade Davis who should be super cheap if he decides to play, if I could be convinced that his fastball decline was mostly Colorado. Jake McGee turned it around big time once he got out of there. Speaking of McGee, he may be someone to look at. However, he's rebuilt his value with 2020 so he's unlikely to come as a bargain.
Maybe Trevor May.
And I like the idea of signing Ken Giles who won't be available for 21 as he comes back from TJ but could be a steal in 22 and 23 if the contract is right.
It's hard to say this early though.
PawPawMaxwell
Called Up to the Major Leagues
First item: There is so far no guarantee that baseball will be back to normal next year and if Covid continues thru winter I would bet that season will be shortened at best since NO TEAM can afford full contracts without the fans and concessions plus. Read todays item in MLBTradeRumors about Yanks position on Sanchez. We need a replacement for Flowers whomever it is and WE dont know that Contreras is ready. TDA has shown some worth as a DH. On the other side Brett Garland is probably thru. Yanks lux tax is in play, their remaining OFers are lumbering ox that would benefit from Enders glove/speed. Lots and lots of factors in consideration. Sanchez is only 27 and has had some good years. Never will be a gold glover but with our offense some of that is acceptable.
The one indisputable factor in play here is that, if everything we read is true about Pache and Waters, something has to be done about Ender.
jpx7
Very Flirtatious, but Doubts What Love Is.
I'm speculating that Melancon might come back on a cheaper deal, given his age and career-earnings thus far. I don't see that with Greene—and I trust him less, anyways.
The other options you list seem plausible. I'd like to see the Braves bring in a couple such guys, just to supplement depth.
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Horsehide Harry
<B>Mr. Free Trade</B>
Agree. It's really hard to know right now because we may see unprecedented DFA/mon-tender action. But given what we know now, Melancon is the good option given cost control since his effectiveness still looks to play for another year or two, even at his age.