Braves Acquire Tommy Milone

striker42 said:
I can't agree with this. If the question you're asking is who will be our number 2 starter behind Fried, then Milone isn't the answer. If the question is who will fill out the back half of our injury depleted rotation, Milone is an answer. People tend to forget just how bad back half of the rotation starters are.
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Milone is Erlin that we actually gave up something for. Milone is terrible. Period. Exclamation point.
 
50PoundHead said:
Milone is Erlin that we actually gave up something for. Milone is terrible. Period. Exclamation point.
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Milone is a little better than Erlin. Milone is about what you expect from a 4 or 5. Most back end of the rotation starters are terrible. Having some options there and hoping one can string together a decent stretch isn't a bad plan.
 
striker42 said:
Milone is a little better than Erlin. Milone is about what you expect from a 4 or 5. Most back end of the rotation starters are terrible. Having some options there and hoping one can string together a decent stretch isn't a bad plan.
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Agreed. I'm fine with knabbing Milone given the price seems really small and he's a decent option for the backend. He had a flat-out terrible start yesterday, no excuses, but the Phillies are really damn good offensively.
 
CrazyTrain said:
This is sorta like when we wasted time on Gausman except there's a lot more proof that Milone sucks.
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Wasting time on Gausman...

Someone can look at everything Gausman did before joining he Braves, what he did with them in 2018, and what he's done since leaving the Braves...then call him a waste a time based on 80 IP in 2019?

The bad takes are laughable during the trade deadline. Wow...
 
Enscheff said:
Wasting time on Gausman...

Someone can look at everything Gausman did before joining he Braves, what he did with them in 2018, and what he's done since leaving the Braves...then call him a waste a time based on 80 IP in 2019?

The bad takes are laughable during the trade deadline. Wow...
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It's the internet man. Expect all takes at all times.
 
clvclv said:
They did. Can't hoard prospects forever if you want to keep the best and closest to the majors.

Not underrating them at all - they absolutely could turn out to be useful Pitchers in time. If the organization felt they could turn into that in the next couple of years, they'd have been part of the pool. Players not in the pool aren't "worthless", but they're not important pieces of the organization's near-term plans. Guys that are 3-4 years away can be replaced in next year's draft.
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I agree with your premise in general; I do not agree with it in this case. Milone is simply not a good enough pitcher that he should justify trading the long-term potential of Owens or Estes (or even two of Devito and Vines), even if that potential is extremely remote. And this is a belief I held well before Milone's disastrous first start last night.

Also, the fact that those four guys are not in the sixty-player pool is irrelevant—especially in the case of Estes and Owens, who are extremely young. There's a reason Makhi Backstrom isn't on the sixty, and Bryce Ball is—and it's all about age and advancement. Honestly, it's a huge testament to how strongly they feel about Michael Harris that he is on the sixty—and his presence/potential/advancement is a big reason why I would've been so comfortable trading Waters for somebody like Clevinger.

I think you'll find that the PTBNLs going to the Orioles are guys like Greyson Jenitsa or Thomas Burrows—players not on the sixty, closer to the majors, who might work out, but whose futures are likely marginal—and not guys like Estes and Owens, who have big-time potential, were payed big bonuses, but are big question-marks at this point.
 
jpx7 said:
I agree with your premise in general; I do not agree with it in this case. Milone is simply not a good enough pitcher that he should justify trading the long-term potential of Owens or Estes (or even two of Devito and Vines), even if that potential is extremely remote. And this is a belief I held well before Milone's disastrous first start last night.

Also, the fact that those four guys are not in the sixty-player pool is irrelevant—especially in the case of Estes and Owens, who are extremely young. There's a reason Makhi Backstrom isn't on the sixty, and Bryce Ball is—and it's all about age and advancement. Honestly, it's a huge testament to how strongly they feel about Michael Harris that he is on the sixty—and his presence/potential/advancement is a big reason why I would've been so comfortable trading Waters for somebody like Clevinger.

I think you'll find that the PTBNLs going to the Orioles are guys like Greyson Jenitsa or Thomas Burrows—players not on the sixty, closer to the majors, who might work out, but whose futures are likely marginal—and not guys like Estes and Owens, who have big-time potential, were payed big bonuses, but are big question-marks at this point.
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That may very well be the case. The point is that those are the types of names that were probably at least discussed as PTBNLs.

ALL trades hurt - that's the nature of trading. The Braves are likely going to be higher than most other organizations on every one of these names - they drafted them and have spent resources trying to develop them after all. The point is that other organizations have seen the Jenistas and Burrowses struggle against more advanced competition, therefore they're likely going to be more interested in the Owenses/etc, in the system.

They may not get them all, but you typically have to put some names you'd prefer not to lose in deals like this. Just like we saw when the Rangers held onto Lynn and Gallo yesterday - MLB teams usually aren't going to GIVE assets away for *hitty returns just because they're not contending right now. Milone's first start aside, he has been a useful MLB SP this year - one that has arguably been better than Minor and a lot of the other names we assumed AA was poking around on. The other teams that were willing to take PTBNLs for SPs may have been asking for TWO guys like Estes/Owens/etc. and AA settled for Milone if the Os would be OK getting one and a guy like Jenista or Burrows.
 
Why not Phillip Pfeifer? Guy was coming on at the end of 2019 back from injury. He's 28. If not now, when? If never, why keep him around?
 
Horsehide Harry said:
Why not Phillip Pfeifer? Guy was coming on at the end of 2019 back from injury. He's 28. If not now, when? If never, why keep him around?
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Pfeifer likely moves to the pen full-time next season, and gives you a minimum-salary replacement option for Dayton or Matzek. Yes the Braves control those guys for next season, but both will be due raises if kept. Considering AA's going to be looking to pinch pennies everywhere he can, having an in-house replacement for them isn't the worst thing in the world.

Besides, he's currently on the 60-Day IL dealing with another injury and you mention he's already 28 - why would he interest a rebuilding team?
 
Milone's contributions to the Braves this year were criminally underrated.

The Braves averaged 16 runs per start when Milone pitched, and had a ten run inning in 66.67% of his starts. His presence on the mound clearly motivated the offense to do their very best.
 
Tapate50 said:
Greg Cullen and AJ Graffanino head to the O's to complete the swap.
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Ewww. I mean neither of them project as anything more than bench players, but they were more than trade fodder, imo. Plus, I hate trading away any decent hitter in a system that doesn't have a ton of good hitting prospects, and Cullen at least was displaying very good on base skills. Graffanino has the bloodlines that should make him a good candidate to reach the majors at some point too.

99% likelihood this trade is meaningless in the grand scheme of things, but even still I don't like losing the players we did.
 
Carp said:
Ewww. I mean neither of them project as anything more than bench players, but they were more than trade fodder, imo. Plus, I hate trading away any decent hitter in a system that doesn't have a ton of good hitting prospects, and Cullen at least was displaying very good on base skills. Graffanino has the bloodlines that should make him a good candidate to reach the majors at some point too.

99% likelihood this trade is meaningless in the grand scheme of things, but even still I don't like losing the players we did.
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The Braves acquired Kerry Ligtenberg from the Minneapolis Loons for $720 worth of baseballs. Milone was probably worth half a bag of batting practice baseballs.
 
50PoundHead said:
The Braves acquired Kerry Ligtenberg from the Minneapolis Loons for $720 worth of baseballs. Milone was probably worth half a bag of batting practice baseballs.
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yeah, 50, i gotta eat crow and give you your roses on this one. i felt the Braves may as well make the move for him, but looking at it, lord, no. it was a really bad move.
 
DirkPiggler said:
Milone's contributions to the Braves this year were criminally underrated.

The Braves averaged 16 runs per start when Milone pitched, and had a ten run inning in 66.67% of his starts. His presence on the mound clearly motivated the offense to do their very best.
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the funny part is he didn't even come close to recording a win in those games.
 
Carp said:
Ewww. I mean neither of them project as anything more than bench players, but they were more than trade fodder, imo. Plus, I hate trading away any decent hitter in a system that doesn't have a ton of good hitting prospects, and Cullen at least was displaying very good on base skills. Graffanino has the bloodlines that should make him a good candidate to reach the majors at some point too.

99% likelihood this trade is meaningless in the grand scheme of things, but even still I don't like losing the players we did.
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I expected (and said at the time) that this was going to hurt more than everyone expected it would - but I figured it would be on the pitching side.
 
clvclv said:
I expected (and said at the time) that this was going to hurt more than everyone expected it would - but I figured it would be on the pitching side.
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It's really not that much to give up—certainly much more palatable than the "[g]uys like Owens/Estes/Devito/Vines" that you suggested.

But, in retrospect, anything was too much to give up. Of the two, I'm more upset about losing Cullen.
 
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