GDT: 11/3/20, Election Day, Donald J. Trump vs. Joseph R. Biden

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Pence declined to leave the Capitol after protesters breached the compound, even though his security detail on three occasions suggested it would be a good idea to do so, a senior administration official said. Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) and others left.

While Trump was watching TV and resisting entreaties to tell the mob to go home, Pence repeatedly called military officials and others in the government to expedite the National Guard’s deployment, officials said. He talked with McConnell about reinstating the certification vote that evening and met with Capitol Police officials, even as Trump and lawyers continued to call senators and House members to try to slow down the certification. Neither Trump nor anyone in the White House checked on Pence, although Short eventually called Trump Chief of Staff Mark Meadows to update him on their safety.

Throughout the ordeal, it was Pence, not Trump, who was in close contact with military and congressional leaders about bringing in the National Guard and securing the Capitol.

“Although the Vice President and I were not together during the evacuation, he personally got very involved and stayed in close contact with me as we worked to secure urgently needed resources to thwart the mob and I appreciate those efforts greatly,” McConnell said in a statement to The Washington Post. McConnell told others he was enraged with Trump and planned to never speak to him again.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...6aa052-5357-11eb-89bc-7f51ceb6bd57_story.html

Agree or disagree with Pence about various things, he showed a lot of strength and character during this ordeal.
 
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House Homeland Security Committee Chair Bennie Thompson says Ted Cruz and Joe Hawley could be put on the no fly list. I don't agree with what those guys have done but I have SERIOUS problems with this.

First, the no fly list is problematic to begin with. You have a constitutional right to travel and the no fly list infringes upon this right without due process. It's justified by the argument that it's necessary to either 1) keep dangerous people from entering the country; or 2) to keep dangerous people from flying planes into buildings.

Cruz and Hawley are both US citizens so keeping them out of the country can't be used as a justification. And it's beyond silly to suggest either of these people might use a plane as a weapon.

If we start using the no fly list as an extra judicial punishment then we have serious issues and the SCOTUS should slap it down.
 
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House Homeland Security Committee Chair Bennie Thompson says Ted Cruz and Joe Hawley could be put on the no fly list. I don't agree with what those guys have done but I have SERIOUS problems with this.

First, the no fly list is problematic to begin with. You have a constitutional right to travel and the no fly list infringes upon this right without due process. It's justified by the argument that it's necessary to either 1) keep dangerous people from entering the country; or 2) to keep dangerous people from flying planes into buildings.

Cruz and Hawley are both US citizens so keeping them out of the country can't be used as a justification. And it's beyond silly to suggest either of these people might use a plane as a weapon.

If we start using the no fly list as an extra judicial punishment then we have serious issues and the SCOTUS should slap it down.
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I agree. That is ridiculous.
 
striker42 said:
House Homeland Security Committee Chair Bennie Thompson says Ted Cruz and Joe Hawley could be put on the no fly list. I don't agree with what those guys have done but I have SERIOUS problems with this.

First, the no fly list is problematic to begin with. You have a constitutional right to travel and the no fly list infringes upon this right without due process. It's justified by the argument that it's necessary to either 1) keep dangerous people from entering the country; or 2) to keep dangerous people from flying planes into buildings.

Cruz and Hawley are both US citizens so keeping them out of the country can't be used as a justification. And it's beyond silly to suggest either of these people might use a plane as a weapon.

If we start using the no fly list as an extra judicial punishment then we have serious issues and the SCOTUS should slap it down.
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"could" is a pretty ambiguous word...in an alternate universe i "could" be Napoleon

it "could" be that Mr. Thompson is trolling Mr. Cruz and Mr. Hawley...i think they "could" be put on trial for treason and sedition

now if Mr. Thompson used the word "should" you'd be cooking with gas
 
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nsacpi said:
Starting to see some more serious charges that went through a grand jury process. I think this guy is gonna do some serious time.

https://beta.documentcloud.org/documents/20448802-document22

Judge Amy Berman Jackson gets the case. The other judges must be wondering if the lottery is rigged. Rigged I tell ya!
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Still fairly generic charges. It's clear the US Attorney is playing it safe. Everything charged is stuff that should be fairly easy to prove. Nothing extreme like Seditious Conspiracy.

There are enough easily proven charges on these to send these people away for years. It would surprise me if they went over the top on most of them. They'd need hard evidence of some very specific, very extreme intentions to swing for the fences.
 
sturg33 said:
THANK You for finally giving me the example of the infamous incitement.

I'm looking forward to comparing this to other politicians. Let's impeach them all now that "fight" is a call for violence
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Look at this fat slob bending over backwards to defend his cult leader.

It actually makes sense...

Trump is a wannabe dictator, and sturg is a wannabe boss in real life to the point he lies about managing people to make himself appear more important than he is. Both fat slobs are desperate to be "in charge", so sturg can personally relate to Trump's needs.

Good thing neither of these fat pigs will be in charge of anything very soon...and strug never was.
 
A day before rioters stormed Congress, an FBI office in Virginia issued an explicit internal warning that extremists were preparing to travel to Washington to commit violence and “war,” according to an internal document reviewed by The Washington Post that contradicts a senior official’s declaration the bureau had no intelligence indicating anyone at last week’s pro-Trump protest planned to do harm.

A situational information report approved for release the day before the U.S. Capitol riot painted a dire portrait of dangerous plans, including individuals sharing a map of the complex’s tunnels, and possible rally points for would-be conspirators to meet up in Kentucky, Pennsylvania, Massachusetts and South Carolina and head in groups to Washington.

“As of 5 January 2021, FBI Norfolk received information indicating calls for violence in response to ‘unlawful lockdowns’ to begin on 6 January 2021 in Washington. D.C.,” the document says. “An online thread discussed specific calls for violence to include stating ‘Be ready to fight. Congress needs to hear glass breaking, doors being kicked in, and blood from their BLM and Pantifa slave soldiers being spilled. Get violent. Stop calling this a march, or rally, or a protest. Go there ready for war. We get our President or we die. NOTHING else will achieve this goal.”

Multiple law enforcement officials have said privately in recent days that the level of violence exhibited at the Capitol has led to difficult discussions within the FBI and other agencies about race, terrorism, and whether investigators failed to register the degree of danger because the overwhelming majority of the participants at the rally were White conservatives fiercely loyal to the President Trump.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...d12748-546b-11eb-a817-e5e7f8a406d6_story.html
 
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One more thing:

It has been over 24 hours since I asked any MAGA to tell me what the "protesters" were protesting
 
President Trump on Tuesday showed no contrition or regret for instigating the mob that stormed the Capitol and threatened the lives of members of Congress and his vice president, saying that his remarks to a rally beforehand were “totally appropriate” and that the effort by Congress to impeach and convict him was “causing tremendous anger.”

Answering questions from reporters for the first time since the violence at the Capitol on Wednesday, the president sidestepped questions about his culpability in the deadly riot that shook the nation’s long tradition of peaceful transfers of power.

“People thought what I said was totally appropriate,” Mr. Trump told reporters at Joint Base Andrews, en route to Alamo, Texas, where he was set to visit the border wall. Instead, Mr. Trump claimed that racial justice protests over the summer were “the real problem.”

“If you look at what other people have said, politicians at a high level about the riots during the summer, the horrible riots in Portland and Seattle and various other places, that was a real problem,” he said.

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2021/01/12/us/impeachment-trump-25th-amendment
 
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