The Coronavirus, not the beer
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57Brave
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Kyle Griffin
@kylegriffin1
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White House: The Biden admin will expand the pool of qualified
professionals able to administer shots to include: Dentists, advanced
and intermediate EMTs, Midwives, Optometrists, Paramedics,
Physician Assistants, Podiatrists, Respiratory Therapists,
and Veterinarians.
@kylegriffin1
·
13m
White House: The Biden admin will expand the pool of qualified
professionals able to administer shots to include: Dentists, advanced
and intermediate EMTs, Midwives, Optometrists, Paramedics,
Physician Assistants, Podiatrists, Respiratory Therapists,
and Veterinarians.
zitothebrave
Connoisseur of Minors
Moron, you do realize that first you're contagious before symptoms show. Studies think you're most contagious 24-48 before showing symptoms.
Also you realize that morons like you not getting vaccinated can lead us to not kick this in the rear and the virus to mutate and perhaps those mutations will be able to sneak past vaccine protections.
Of course I know that I'm talking to a literal wall. So it will fall on deaf ears.
sturg33
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zitothebrave
Connoisseur of Minors
Herd immunity has always been the answer fool.
It cannot be obtained without vaccine. See. Brazil.
You clearly don't understand how that is achieved.
BTW, your entire argument from April-May 2020 was based on the assumption that "everyone would get it eventually so why delay the inevitable while sinking the economy."
I literally explained it you then, that the purpose of lockdowns and other mitigation techniques was to contain the spread and to buy time until a viable treatment option or vaccine could be developed that would drastically reduce the death rate. Now 10 months later as the percentage of those vaccinated with at least 1 dose quickly approaches 20% of the population, it is overwhelmingly clear that your plan would have killed hundreds of thousands more Americans for nothing.
But I guess saving lives is the "commie" thing to do.....
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Even if your number of hundreds of thousands which is highly unlikely were true that’s just one side of the ledger.
You guys never seem to understand that basic concept and have tunnel vision because you were instructed to so that the oranage man would lose.
sturg33
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The states who locked down the hardest had the worst outcomes.
Inconvenient truths. Never mind reality.
Orange man bad is all you need to know.
Ignore a whole generation of school aged kids that we ****ed over.
Ignore hundreds of millions worldwide in poverty.
We saved some people that didn’t care enough about themselves to live a healthier life.
These people are moronic.
sturg33
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By the way, two of my friends at a bachelor party tested positive for the antibodies. I've been to three weddings, 2 bachelor parties, gyms, flown to Buffalo 10 times, flown to Oregon, eat out at local restaurants every chance im allowed to, etc etc etc. In other words, I'm quite certain I've been exposed to the virus many many times and maybe I'm the lucky one who remained asymptomatic after catching it.
Glad i didnt spend 2020 hiding in my basement.
(This is the part where the sheep call me a superspreader!)
Glad i didnt spend 2020 hiding in my basement.
(This is the part where the sheep call me a superspreader!)
nsacpi
Expects Yuge Games
It is true that states and other jurisdictions that locked down the hardest had the worst outcomes.
A little knowledge about causal inference can go a long way. Here is a tutorial:
https://delphi.cmu.edu/blog/2021/01/19/causal-inference-for-social-mobility-and-covid-19/
cliff notes summary: Estimating causal effects is tricky. We all know that “correlation isn’t causation.” For example, mask usage and cases could both increase over time. But that doesn’t mean that masks cause more cases to occur. Activation of “Buckle your seatbelt” signs on airplanes is correlated with turbulence. But activating the sign does not cause turbulence.
This btw is why "natural experiments" where all but one variables are kept under control are useful for inferring efficacy. Hence my fondness for the North Dakota/South Dakota mask mandate experiment, and the experiment involving 3 similar neighboring Arizona counties, one with a mask mandate and two without. And of course the Sweden/Scandinavian neighbors experiment.
A little knowledge about causal inference can go a long way. Here is a tutorial:
https://delphi.cmu.edu/blog/2021/01/19/causal-inference-for-social-mobility-and-covid-19/
cliff notes summary: Estimating causal effects is tricky. We all know that “correlation isn’t causation.” For example, mask usage and cases could both increase over time. But that doesn’t mean that masks cause more cases to occur. Activation of “Buckle your seatbelt” signs on airplanes is correlated with turbulence. But activating the sign does not cause turbulence.
This btw is why "natural experiments" where all but one variables are kept under control are useful for inferring efficacy. Hence my fondness for the North Dakota/South Dakota mask mandate experiment, and the experiment involving 3 similar neighboring Arizona counties, one with a mask mandate and two without. And of course the Sweden/Scandinavian neighbors experiment.
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nsacpi
Expects Yuge Games
you're right...none of the examples i cite are dispositive...it's pretty rare in a situation this complicated to find an experiment that can settle a question like this...the only way to do it is to gather an enormous amount of data from many jurisdictions and do a multivariate analysis...both the data gathering and the statistical analysis are heavy lifts
sturg33
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I remember when the sheep called Trump a wannabe dictator
That’s why I mostly agree with your stance of causal inference. My only rebuttal to that would be if masks were a tremendous factor in preventing spread that even with many other variables we should see stark differences in results.
I think it has an impact when symptomatic hosts wear them and I’ve been consistent with that approach from day 1. I just don’t think it has any menaginful prevention factor for others.
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Notice how this is always ignored.