Around Baseball Offseason Edition - Derek Jeter will retire at seasons end

zitothebrave said:
Do I have to spell it out?

You don't know how our team financials. What if signing Burnett 1/16 means that we're a few million away from keeping Meds or Kimbrel down the line. We don't know that the Braves just have a set budget and if they don't hit it the rest disappears, maybe Wren is allowed to put money away. We don't know.
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Meds and Kimbrel are both gone in 2 years anyway, so that wouldnt matter.

I dont think we needed AJ, but i wouldnt of **** a brick if we signed him.
 
Hawk said:
You can't mitigate an inherent risk. He's on the other side of the hill, so to speak. The only way is down.

IIRC you have defended virtually all of the big ticket pitching signings this offseason, though.
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Unless you think he's just going to fall off a cliff, based on his last 2 years and especially last year....that he's a decent bet to be worth the 16 mil for one year.

Even if his ERA goes up a run...it's 4.3 and a FIP in the mid to low 3's....200 innings with 180-200 K's....I mean, maybe that's not worth 16 mil but it's pretty damn close in the this market for 1 year.
 
We don't know how the Braves are budgeting, what if we have to dip into future funds to sign BUrnett? Or what if we are putting savings away in escrow. Could keep talking about possibilities but NEITHER of us knows hwo the Braves are handled financially.
 
According to Todd Zolecki of MLB.com, A.J. Burnett's new one-year, $16 million contract with the Phillies includes a mutual option for the 2015 season.
 
BRule said:
Unless you think he's just going to fall off a cliff, based on his last 2 years and especially last year....that he's a decent bet to be worth the 16 mil for one year.

Even if his ERA goes up a run...it's 4.3 and a FIP in the mid to low 3's....200 innings with 180-200 K's....I mean, maybe that's not worth 16 mil but it's pretty damn close in the this market for 1 year.
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You like baseball?
 
BRule said:
Unless you think he's just going to fall off a cliff, based on his last 2 years and especially last year....that he's a decent bet to be worth the 16 mil for one year.

Even if his ERA goes up a run...it's 4.3 and a FIP in the mid to low 3's....200 innings with 180-200 K's....I mean, maybe that's not worth 16 mil but it's pretty damn close in the this market for 1 year.
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Do I think he is going to regress? Absolutely. Significantly? In all likelihood.

But that's really beside my original objection, which was that the Phillies do not need Burnett, and the signing was a waste of resources by Amaro.

The only person that's made a half-way compelling argument about why he could be useful was Enscheff, and that would be for his value to the team if he were traded at/before the deadline.
 
Hawk said:
I hope he does it. For all the attention the guy is afforded, Jeter is almost unbearably earnest and impossible not to respect.
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Yep. Hate the Yankees with every bone in my body but I absolutely respect Derek Jeter. He's a throwback player. Only cares about doing whatever it takes to win.
 
Hawk said:
I also have a hard time finding justification for the contract in Burnett's 2013 numbers, given his age. It would be different, for me, if he were younger, but nothing is bankable about the arm of a 37 year old power pitcher.
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They can afford it and it's only 1 yr. I don't see the down side from their end.
 
Hawk said:
Arroyo is the same age as Burnett and just got 3 years from Arizona (although the AAV is lower). It would seem AJ could've scored a 2 or 3 year deal if he actually wanted it.
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That argument actually works against you. Why would anyone want to sign a 37 yr old pitcher to a 3 yr deal? More money up front on a shorter deal is much smarter.
 
Hawk said:
Do I think he is going to regress? Absolutely. Significantly? In all likelihood.

But that's really beside my original objection, which was that the Phillies do not need Burnett, and the signing was a waste of resources by Amaro.

The only person that's made a half-way compelling argument about why he could be useful was Enscheff, and that would be for his value to the team if he were traded at/before the deadline.
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Why don't the PHillies need Burnett? They have some pretty glaring holes in their rotation.
 
Carp said:
That argument actually works against you. Why would anyone want to sign a 37 yr old pitcher to a 3 yr deal? More money up front on a shorter deal is much smarter.
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He's pointing out that Burnett doesn't appear to actually want to pitch, but 16 mil is so much that he couldn't turn it down.
I actually agree with that. I think there are a few ways this could end up going. Obviously they don't lose anything if he's good, but I don't think they change all that much, either.

It could end up being a waste of funds, perhaps they could have used some of it next year, or used it for depth, which they also sorely need.
I think it will mostly end up a wash. Insignificant.
 
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