Race
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Tapate50
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cajunrevenge
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I dont fully understand the context but I do not believe that just saying the N word is racist or makes a person racist. Thats not so much to do with this incident. Just overall in general. Certainly shouldnt be saying it in a City Council meeting.
cajunrevenge
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That guy is retarded but the second part I found very interesting. I went to a middle school that was 33% black 33% Hispanic 33% Vietnamese and 4 white kids of which 2 were female twins. I actually didnt realize that I was one of only 4 white kids in the school until a history teacher chastised the class because the only white kid in class was the only one who was answering questions related to MLK. I was routinely called "white boy" by the teachers. I faced a good bit of racism from other students. The principal, who was black, acknowledged that too when several times he could have expelled me or sent me to ALC(last step before expulsion). At the end of it all I realized anyone that is such a significant minority in a group of kids is going to face atleast some kind of racism. Its just human nature. Looking back I think I realize it might have had more to do with lack of assimilating to the dominate culture which was rap and thug culture.
nsacpi
Expects Yuge Games
White boy is nothing. Many years ago I played pickup soccer with a group of guys from Jamaica. One day they found out my father was from South Africa. From that day forward my name was Botha. We did have a chat about it once and we all agreed it was racist. And everyone shrugged and went back to calling me Botha.
Jaw
It's OVER 5,000!
I have no idea how to actually write it, but I had several employees from Ghana who called me Kosobruni Papa.
Supposedly the first part means white guy that doesn't know much and the second part means they like you. My boss was Kosobruni Quasia, with the second part meaning crazy and to be avoided.
I think they said the language was Ce but that isn't listed among the common Ghanan languages on Wikipedia.
nsacpi
Expects Yuge Games
I have a funny story about a Ghanaian driver in Atlanta. A few years ago I flew in the day of the ice storm, the one where Chipper had to go out and rescue Freddie. I got in on the last flight before the airport closed. And was very lucky to find a driver to take me to my hotel. He was from Ghana. Needless to say we couldn't use the highway. He took us through the side streets but was having a lot of trouble on the hills. Finally I suggested he shift to low gear, which helped a lot with the traction. He was so excited by this discovery he told us he was going to teach it to all the other drivers he knew. I remember my business partner and I emptying our wallets and giving him all the cash we had. We were so grateful he was out driving in those conditions and managed to get us to our hotel in one piece. Of course, our meeting the next day was cancelled. Cuz folks in the South don't know what to do with a little ice on the road.
nsacpi
Expects Yuge Games
Well you grew up in the mountains. People tend to be nationalistic or regionalistic (is that a word) about driving skills. I remember once in New York I was on the 60th floor of a building looking down on a snowy scene. The man next to me was from Germany. Cue heavy Germanic accent "Americans don't know how to drive."
Jaw
It's OVER 5,000!
https://lawliberty.org/book-review/telling-the-hardest-truths-about-race/
Murray’s first “truth” is that when whites, blacks, and Hispanics “take tests that are related to cognitive ability, their group results have different means,” and that these tests are pretty good predictors of job performance, especially at the upper end of the pay scale.
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Why is it particularly important to “face this reality” today? Because so many influential voices are dismissing it as unimportant. Current measures of cognitive ability, we are repeatedly assured, are culturally biased—symptoms of “white supremacy.” They don’t measure anything significant, but are merely a way to deny racial and ethnic minorities a proportional share of slots in prestigious schools and high paying jobs.
Murray presents extensive evidence showing that this is simply not true. The SAT and ACT are pretty good predictors of performance in college. Far from being biased against African Americans, these tests tend to overpredict how well those students will do in college.
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Murray’s second “truth” is that African-American and Hispanic males commit violent crimes far more often than do white and Asian males. (I say “males” because they are responsible for the overwhelming majority of such crimes.) This is hardly a startling fact. But in the current debate over mass incarceration and “the new Jim Crow,” it often gets buried in the rhetoric. Murray focuses on the most serious offences, especially murder, rape, robbery, and aggravated assault. He looks at a wide variety of measures, including arrest rates in major cities, reports by African-American and Hispanic victims of crime, and New York’s database of non-fatal shootings. The racial differences are consistent and huge.
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Today we are bombarded with arguments about “systemic racism.” Those on the left insist that most the American institutions are inherently racist. Those on the right claim we have purged racism from our public institutions. Seldom does one hear a cogent explanation of what “systemic racism” means. In his final chapter Murray offers this useful distinction: “Many of the problems are systemic, but they will not be solved by going after racism. They will be solved, or ameliorated, by going after systemic educational problems, systemic law enforcement problems, systemic employment problems.” Murray makes a convincing case that we cannot begin to address these educational, economic, and law-enforcement problems without facing the two “truths” that he describes.
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Eliminating exam schools, covertly reserving slots at selective colleges for racial minorities, and instituting de facto hiring quotas for high skill jobs will only paper over the core problems rather than address them. Denying that crime is a problem in many poor neighborhoods leaves many decent people at the mercy of a violent few. The hard reality is that ignoring the “two truths” that Murray highlights will leave the most vulnerable people in our society worse off. Even those who dislike and distrust this particular messenger should heed his message.
Murray’s first “truth” is that when whites, blacks, and Hispanics “take tests that are related to cognitive ability, their group results have different means,” and that these tests are pretty good predictors of job performance, especially at the upper end of the pay scale.
..
Why is it particularly important to “face this reality” today? Because so many influential voices are dismissing it as unimportant. Current measures of cognitive ability, we are repeatedly assured, are culturally biased—symptoms of “white supremacy.” They don’t measure anything significant, but are merely a way to deny racial and ethnic minorities a proportional share of slots in prestigious schools and high paying jobs.
Murray presents extensive evidence showing that this is simply not true. The SAT and ACT are pretty good predictors of performance in college. Far from being biased against African Americans, these tests tend to overpredict how well those students will do in college.
...
Murray’s second “truth” is that African-American and Hispanic males commit violent crimes far more often than do white and Asian males. (I say “males” because they are responsible for the overwhelming majority of such crimes.) This is hardly a startling fact. But in the current debate over mass incarceration and “the new Jim Crow,” it often gets buried in the rhetoric. Murray focuses on the most serious offences, especially murder, rape, robbery, and aggravated assault. He looks at a wide variety of measures, including arrest rates in major cities, reports by African-American and Hispanic victims of crime, and New York’s database of non-fatal shootings. The racial differences are consistent and huge.
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Today we are bombarded with arguments about “systemic racism.” Those on the left insist that most the American institutions are inherently racist. Those on the right claim we have purged racism from our public institutions. Seldom does one hear a cogent explanation of what “systemic racism” means. In his final chapter Murray offers this useful distinction: “Many of the problems are systemic, but they will not be solved by going after racism. They will be solved, or ameliorated, by going after systemic educational problems, systemic law enforcement problems, systemic employment problems.” Murray makes a convincing case that we cannot begin to address these educational, economic, and law-enforcement problems without facing the two “truths” that he describes.
...
Eliminating exam schools, covertly reserving slots at selective colleges for racial minorities, and instituting de facto hiring quotas for high skill jobs will only paper over the core problems rather than address them. Denying that crime is a problem in many poor neighborhoods leaves many decent people at the mercy of a violent few. The hard reality is that ignoring the “two truths” that Murray highlights will leave the most vulnerable people in our society worse off. Even those who dislike and distrust this particular messenger should heed his message.
nsacpi
Expects Yuge Games
There are certain groups of Africans that do quite well in American society.
Nigerian Americans for example.
https://medium.com/@joecarleton/why.... immigrant groups, including Asian-Americans.
Genetically they are more African than African-Americans.
It is also widely known that immigrants (and their first generation offspring) are special in various ways. They are a highly self-selected group.
I think someone interested in doing a study of racism would do well to compare second generation Nigerian Americans with other second generation groups (Koreans, Irish, etc) whose first generations are similar in various ways (education, etc). See how they compare in terms of income, education, incarceration, etc.
Nigerian Americans for example.
https://medium.com/@joecarleton/why.... immigrant groups, including Asian-Americans.
Genetically they are more African than African-Americans.
It is also widely known that immigrants (and their first generation offspring) are special in various ways. They are a highly self-selected group.
I think someone interested in doing a study of racism would do well to compare second generation Nigerian Americans with other second generation groups (Koreans, Irish, etc) whose first generations are similar in various ways (education, etc). See how they compare in terms of income, education, incarceration, etc.