Official 2022 Offseason Moves Thread

With the lockout looming on December 1st, I do wonder if Freddie and his agent will feel pressured to get something done prior to that date. Not that he needs the money, but he does seem like the type of family man who would prefer the stability (as opposed to not knowing how things will shake out post lockout, whenever that is). Obviously just speculation, but could cause him to lower his demands more towards what AA is thinking, unless he gets an offer that blows him away in the meantime.
 
clvclv said:
Of course they do. However, I'm pretty sure the same people doing similar models for the Braves didn't have Acuna (or Ozzie) arriving nearly as fast as they did while also expecting Pache to be the CF in 2021.

Projections are wrong as often (or more than) they're right. If you give them a +/- 1 year window, it's impossible to KNOW with a lot of confidence that that $15 million for Scherzer wouldn't come in handy when trying to surround Soto with even "average" players if he doesn't want to go through 3-4 90 loss seasons during his prime. Don't forget - the Braves spent $11 million per on Markakis during a similar period just so Freddie had a running buddy.
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We don’t disagree. What I’m generally saying is teams map out windows of contention and rebuilding years in advance. Of course there is variability, why would anyone argue otherwise?

Some teams focus on extending windows of contention by avoiding short risk/reward trade offs (Think Rays).

Some teams focus on maximizing the rebuilding window by terminating their contention window early (Think Coppy era Braves).

Some teams will shorten their contention window and elongate the next rebuild to win now (Flags fly forever Chicago Cubs).

The Dodgers can do all three because of elite management and infinite resources.

What the Nationals attempted to do (with mixed results) is to maximize the length of their contention window and window by deferring costs until after their current core aged. They were able to win a World Series using this strategy. However, most of their younger core sans Soto didn’t develop as expected (Keiboom, Robles, etc.) and Strasburg/Corbin have been huge busts, which crushed their ability to contend.

What I expect the Braves to do is lean towards maximizing the contention window versus win now moves. With that said, I can’t imagine structuring any Freeman contract that’s front loaded.
 
thethe said:
I’d just rather spend that money on the bullpen.

There is a strong chance that a fully healthy soroka is our fourth starter by July.

I’d hate it if our bullpen is leaky while we have a glut of starting pitching.
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You would rather spend the money on less reliable pitchers that pitch a fraction of the time????

If anything, we should be developing guys who aren't super likely to stick in the rotation (Touki, Wright, Newk) into BP pieces. It's the Dodger way, and it has served them well.
 
Enscheff said:
Just to be clear…

The resident know-nothing is maintaining the position that it’s easier to cobble together 40% of a rotation than it is to cobble together 20% of a BP.

Think about how misinformed someone must be about resource management and roster construction to hold such an opinion.

AA needs to grab a 4th SP. If history is any indication, he will do exactly that.
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This.
 
bravesfanforlife88 said:
I wonder if winning a world series with us changes anything on his end. At this point, he has no unfinished business here in Atlanta. He lives in California during the offseason. I wouldn't be shocked if he left this offseason to be honest.
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Yup. Freddie has reached the pinnacle of a baseball player's career. MVP last season and WS Champ the next. I imagine he'll want to cash out now since playing for a contender is now more of a luxury than a necessity. He might give us a small a discount if the money is close. But at this point I have come to terms with the fact that Freddie is likely gone. Angels or Padres seem the most likely, imo, if we can't hammer out a deal.
 
Heyward said:
Rosario's contract will be interesting to to track. Had an insane playoff run. No idea if anyone gives him like an insane deal but i could see something like 3-36/4-50ish.
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Rosario signed a 1 year 8 million deal last off-season. While he played well down the stretch and was a beast in the playoffs, I highly doubt he's played his way into more than another 1 year deal with a 2nd year option.
 
Carp said:
Rosario signed a 1 year 8 million deal last off-season. While he played well down the stretch and was a beast in the playoffs, I highly doubt he's played his way into more than another 1 year deal with a 2nd year option.
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Talented guy, but really streaky. Like all of the four we picked up at the deadline, I think he'll be looking for a multi-year deal, but what you've laid out here is probably likely. He maybe gets two years guaranteed at $10 MM per or something in that universe.
 
Carp said:
You would rather spend the money on less reliable pitchers that pitch a fraction of the time????

If anything, we should be developing guys who aren't super likely to stick in the rotation (Touki, Wright, Newk) into BP pieces. It's the Dodger way, and it has served them well.
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You mean the dodgers bullpen that had guys like Triean/Kelly/Knebel?

That dodger bullpen?
 
msstate7 said:
Do we really need to look any further than our run?
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Im sure the norm now is bullpens have to be deep. Fox showed a stat how starters were pitching less and less than 5 innings in the World Series or playoffs on average. Kept trending downward the last time years.

but every playoff team has to have a somewhat above average bullpen or better. I still think starting is key because Morton and Fried were very valuable as well as Ian.
 
I’m not sure the “Braves single game ticket buyer” base will embrace Acuña as much as they did Freddie.
 
I thought it was pretty obvious to anyone that bullpens are a good resource allocation based on recent trends.
 
Good lord… people are BRAVES fans. They are coming if we are good. Stop making something it’s not …
 
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