Ukraine

jpx7 said:
Then why hammer this point?

I think Palin's an idiot—when I have the strength to care or think about her at all—and the fact that she may have said something that may have ended up adjacent to correct doesn't change that.

But any of our opinions regarding Sarah Palin are incredibly tangential to this discussion.
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I'm just having fun watching y'all. And wishing...
 
yeezus said:
Because they're tired of their pet being appropriately ragged on, and finally found something to hang her hat on.
That is seriously it. She has said so many stupid things, that when she's technically correct, but not fundamentally correct, it has to be blown up by them. Even though it mean absolutely nothing.

Bedell, do you believe this statement by Palin means she's a foreign policy wunderkind, and is more knowledgeable than the president?
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Y'all are like rabid dogs. Just say her name and y'all foam at the mouth. :happy0157:

Hardly, why?
 
50PoundHead said:
I don't agree with all of this, but found the article interesting and somewhat in the same vein as what I wrote yesterday. You can sign up for a daily newsletter on the situation in the Ukraine at The New Republic. The magazine leans further to the left on foreign policy than it did when Martin Peretz was the publisher, but it's still fairly balanced and has no trouble dogging the President when they feel he needs to be dogged.

Link to article: http://www.newrepublic.com/article/116859/putin-envy-and-american-conservatives

As for Palin, she's still in the neocon echo chamber and if that group needs a spokesperson, she likely gets a phone call. The press isn't going to listen to some mid-level analyst at Project for the New American Century. They want to talk to a celebrity and Palin is, if nothing else, a celebrity. She gets coverage if she f*rts in public. So yeah, what she said was correct, but it's a bit more complex than that.
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50, I had no doubts about you. You sir are the model.
 
zitothebrave said:
What do you call occupying a country for 8 years? And we still have what like 50,000 non-civilian personnel there or something like that?

Also what is to say Russia would stay there permanently? We're just gonna assume they will while assuming we weren't gonna stay in Iraq permanently.
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You really think Russia is going to turn around and leave? Wow.
 
Russia is probably not going to let go of Crimea. "Victory" for the NATO states is probably getting the Russian troops out and maintaining the rest of Ukraine. It may very well poison them, but they're probably going to swallow it anyway.

It was the same with South Ossetia during the Georgian conflict. The groundwork was laid for that over decades, and neither Bush, nor Obama, nor the EU was willing or able to stop it. Pissing about the domestic US politics is more or less just navel-gazing.
 
Julio3000 said:
Russia is probably not going to let go of Crimea. "Victory" for the NATO states is probably getting the Russian troops out and maintaining the rest of Ukraine. It may very well poison them, but they're probably going to swallow it anyway.

It was the same with South Ossetia during the Georgian conflict. The groundwork was laid for that over decades, and neither Bush, nor Obama, nor the EU was willing or able to stop it. Pissing about the domestic US politics is more or less just navel-gazing.
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Putin needs the Navy Base in Crimera. That's what this whole things about . He feared that a pro -western gov't would let him use it so he went in to take it before a new pro-western gov't was formed.
 
50PoundHead said:
I wonder if the dissidents now wish they would have accepted the truce?
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i know if i was fighting to get rid of someone

i wouldn't want the truce

even after all that

this is just something else that goes along with the fight
 
http://www.ijreview.com/2014/03/119...bama-isnt-focused-foreign-policy-heart-never/

Sigh. We've reached the point now where the opinion of a TV show host, validates the fact "his heart is not in it".

I particularly loved this elementary school journalism within the article.

"Many people have said for years that President Obama is a “Campaigner-in-Chief” instead of a “Commander-in-Chief.” In the past, those people were called “racists” or partisan haters by the likes of MSNBC."

The comments section gets even more painful to read.
 
zitothebrave said:
I have a question.

What's so drastically different about what Russia is doing in the Ukraine when compared to what we did to Iraq?
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It's really not different.

Doesn't make Russia right, though.

Putin warned us about going into Syria, saying it was against international law.

Everyone is a hypocrite.
 
KeithLockhart said:
http://www.ijreview.com/2014/03/119...bama-isnt-focused-foreign-policy-heart-never/

Sigh. We've reached the point now where the opinion of a TV show host, validates the fact "his heart is not in it".

I particularly loved this elementary school journalism within the article.

"Many people have said for years that President Obama is a “Campaigner-in-Chief” instead of a “Commander-in-Chief.” In the past, those people were called “racists” or partisan haters by the likes of MSNBC."

The comments section gets even more painful to read.
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I have doubts that Barack Obama even loves foreign policy.
 
yeezus said:
It's really not different.
Doesn't make Russia right, though.
Putin warned us about going into Syria, saying it was against international law.
Everyone is a hypocrite.
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I just think it's amusing that American's are OK with our imperialistic efforts but Russia ZOMG!!!

I think both are wrong, and would rather be semi-isolationists. America has the baddest military in the world. We don't have to walk around telling everyone about it. We can wipe anyone out. We have a strikeforce military we can quickly be anywhere in the world and with the most advanced troops on the ground. We're not an occupying army, we are acting too much like it in a very expensive way. We'd be better off with our early 20th century philosophy.
 
BedellBrave said:
I'm just having fun watching y'all. And wishing...
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Wishing what? Like I said: personally—except when she's actually Tina Fey in disguise—I don't really let Palin bother me, one way or the other.
 
zitothebrave said:
I just think it's amusing that American's are OK with our imperialistic efforts but Russia ZOMG!!!

I think both are wrong, and would rather be semi-isolationists. America has the baddest military in the world. We don't have to walk around telling everyone about it. We can wipe anyone out. We have a strikeforce military we can quickly be anywhere in the world and with the most advanced troops on the ground. We're not an occupying army, we are acting too much like it in a very expensive way. We'd be better off with our early 20th century philosophy.
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100 percent in agreement.
 
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