REAL FOOTBALL Thread

gilesfan said:
Base contract essentially means nothing in the NFL. It all depends on guaranteed and how the contract is constructed. Its crazy that as big of an NFL fan as you are, you don't understand NFL contracts. They very well could have backloaded Johnsons contract so his contract is really 3 yrs and the large base figures for year 4 and 5 mean nothing. You realize the odds that Johnson isn't cut or his contract isn't restructured within the next 5 years is awfully low, right?

You could take an agents word for it, if you like.

The total value of a contract is somewhat meaningless because NFL contracts aren't fully guaranteed. The most important metrics are compensation in the first three years of a multiyear deal and the amount of guaranteed money. The general rule of thumb is a player with a long-term contract should make it through the first three years unless the contract has a team-friendly structure and he performs poorly.

Cameron Wake will likely be cut or resturctured after this year (unless he blows up and then who knows how he acts) His contract is essentially 3 yrs 17 million with 2 large base year numbers in 2015 and 2106.
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And I'm sure it will be pretty close to that number for Johnson. He'll be like that. Wake got 17M guaranteed. Johnson got 24. I'm sure the Bucs will structure it so he's cut after 3 years at close to his guarantee. And I think Johnson is way better than Cameron Wake when Wake signed that deal, plus NFL inflation means they're not far off each other in value.

And base does matter when you're dealing with top players. The Falcons won't cut Ryan when they finally can and save money. Won't happen.
 
So Johnson is worth 7 million more? LOL

Ryan won't be cut before 2018 because of his dead cap figures. If he's cut after this year, his dead cap number is something like 34 million. Ryans also isn't structured in a front loaded way.

Look at Romo, his last year in Dallas is likely 2017 bc his base years in 2018 and 19 are 20 million..,......but but his contract is 6/108.....Base Years, FTW!
 
gilesfan said:
So Johnson is worth 7 million more? LOL

Ryan won't be cut before 2018 because of his dead cap figures. If he's cut after this year, his dead cap number is something like 34 million. Ryans also isn't structured in a front loaded way.

Look at Romo, his last year in Dallas is likely 2017 bc his base years in 2018 and 19 are 20 million..,......but but his contract is 6/108.....Base Years, FTW!
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Romo was 33 when he signed his contract, Johnson won't be 33 if he plays his contract out. Good comparison.

As I said, when you're dealing with younger players, the guarantee is important but often not as important. A good example is Trent COle. He won't play his total contract out because he was older when he signed, but Jared Allen played his contract out, was his base worthless? Allen didn't only make 15M he made 73.6.
 
Whitner expected to sign with Cleveland. Also Raiders and Browns reportedly working on a trade for Revis.
 
gilesfan said:
Congrats on Jared Allen. You found 1 guy to play out his contract. Nice.
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MJD, Darren McFadden, odds on Frank Gore unless he's surprise cut, Antonio Smith, Ryan Pickett, BJ Raji, seemingly Chris Clemons and Cliff Avril, Justin Tuck, Jason Babin, seemingly Vince Wilfork, seemingly Lance Briggs, seemingly DeMeco Ryans, seemingly Joe Haden, seemingly Tremon Williams, Charles Tillman, seemingly Antrel Rolle, Antoine Bethea, and that's just listing guys who're highly paid and who are upcoming free agents this year or next year who haven't been cut or tied to cut rumors.
 
Falcons sign Babs 3/9 with 4 guaranteed.

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zitothebrave said:
MJD, Darren McFadden, odds on Frank Gore unless he's surprise cut, Antonio Smith, Ryan Pickett, BJ Raji, seemingly Chris Clemons and Cliff Avril, Justin Tuck, Jason Babin, seemingly Vince Wilfork, seemingly Lance Briggs, seemingly DeMeco Ryans, seemingly Joe Haden, seemingly Tremon Williams, Charles Tillman, seemingly Antrel Rolle, Antoine Bethea, and that's just listing guys who're highly paid and who are upcoming free agents this year or next year who haven't been cut or tied to cut rumors.
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McFadden is on his rookie deal.
Gore signed without even having any guaranteed
Smith restructured in 2011
Clemons only had a 3 year deal
Avril 2 years
Tuck signed a long deal with very little guaranteed, no reason to cut or restructure
Babin----lol Jaguars cut him (voided contract) ZitoFail
Wilfork The Pats are trying to restructure to avoid cutting him. May get cut.
Briggs- 3 years
Ryans He was traded to Philly bc he wouldn't restructure and then restructured in Philly more fail
Haden- Rookie contract
WIlliams is ok example. Packers are trying to restructure now
Tillman played it out
Rolle Restructured in 2011
Bethea played out I believe
 
Lamarr Houston to CHI for 5/35 with 15 gtd

McCluster to TN

Antoine Bethea to SF

Clinton McDonald to TB

Saffold to OAK

Veldheer to AZ
 
Bethea had a solid year last year. Hopefully he can be a solid player for a year or 2 while they draft the replacement.
 
Falcons sign Paul Soliai, Tyson Jackson and Jon Asamoah

Soliai -Five-year, $33 million deal. $14.5 million guaranteed. $11 million in 2014.

Jackson - 5/25.....big overpay
 
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