2022 FG Positional WAR Rankings
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Tapate50
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Russ2dollas
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Contreras is a interesting guy. I feel like I'm higher on his D than most of you and lower on his O than most of you.
The other thing that is interesting is that there are changes to the game that could impact his value. If we go robo umps, his defense becomes less valuable. If they make bigger bases and get rid of replay on steals then throwing out runners becomes more valuable.
If they allow for technology to call a game from the dugout, then maybe his calling becomes less valuable.
I think he has had some moments, but I don't think he's a butcher back there. I don't think he Pizza or Gattis. If he can flirt with a 800 ops and catch the ball, he could be a stud at C.
I can't imagine the braves trade SL if they don't think Contreras can catch. Likewise I can't imagine the Braves sign TDA and Pina if they think he's ready to be the primary Catcher. As I recall, TDA is only signed through this year and Pina has this year and next. TDA isn't getting big money but you have to think AA is going to hope Contreras can do that job at the minimum
The other thing that is interesting is that there are changes to the game that could impact his value. If we go robo umps, his defense becomes less valuable. If they make bigger bases and get rid of replay on steals then throwing out runners becomes more valuable.
If they allow for technology to call a game from the dugout, then maybe his calling becomes less valuable.
I think he has had some moments, but I don't think he's a butcher back there. I don't think he Pizza or Gattis. If he can flirt with a 800 ops and catch the ball, he could be a stud at C.
I can't imagine the braves trade SL if they don't think Contreras can catch. Likewise I can't imagine the Braves sign TDA and Pina if they think he's ready to be the primary Catcher. As I recall, TDA is only signed through this year and Pina has this year and next. TDA isn't getting big money but you have to think AA is going to hope Contreras can do that job at the minimum
zbhargrove
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TDA signed an extension through 2023 and he also has a club option for 2024
zbhargrove
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Disagree… the Dodgers have a much deeper bench and it’s not close. Pollock had a terrible contract and there was no room for him anymore.
Rios
Lux
Barnes
Pillar
Alberto
Those are all likely positive contribution players… most of our bench is neutral to negative
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CyYoung31
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Not only do they have actual Major League talent on their bench, they gave guys on the farm who could come up and contribute if needed.
Lux now has to start for them, Piña is better than Barnes, Alberto is maybe a hair better than Arcia, and Dickerson is pretty comparable with Pillar at this point. Rios was garbage last year and has done very little of anything in his career. Look at what that group gave last year vs. ours and it's pretty much the same.
Again, Lux is now a full-on starter for them with Pollock gone.
He doesn't have a horrible contract. He's making 13 million this year and 10 million next year.
He also posted a 135 WRC+ over the last two seasons. That bat will be missed in their lineup.
If you make these changes to the game at catcher you are going to see a lot of bat guys put some catching gear on I think and then that 800 OPS will look worse relative to league performance.
zbhargrove
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Sure he’s productive when healthy but that is exceedingly rare. Also $13 million for a bench bat (which he would be on the Dodgers) is pretty awful.
He does have health issues. And there is a great chance he would have been their 2nd best OFer. The player they should have moved on from is Bellinger. Dude is toast.
bravesfanMatt
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Bellinger is an interesting study. I wonder if he bounces back this year from that shoulder injury from 2020. Or if infact he is toast. Will be an interesting watch regardless.
I know it's Spring Training. But his 200 OPS isn't inspiring, lol
He signed for 17 million this year. Will be his arb 3 season. He would be arb 4 eligible but I suspect he will get cut after the season unless he rebounds.
Russ2dollas
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dodgers are really deep.
Turner is really good. Turner kills us.
But people are underestimating Seager leaving IMO. That was the guy that seemed to be really special in the playoffs for them and killed the Braves.
Turner is really good. Turner kills us.
But people are underestimating Seager leaving IMO. That was the guy that seemed to be really special in the playoffs for them and killed the Braves.
chop2chip
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Which is crazy because he left the Dodgers for a 300m+ contract. How good is your roster if losing someone like THAT goes unnoticed.
The Dodgers are not really deep. Not anymore.
They're still great at the top, no doubt. And you can certainly make a good argument their lineup is better than ours overall still. But they're not crazy deep anymore. They now definitely need guys like Bellinger and Lux to produce.
They're still great at the top, no doubt. And you can certainly make a good argument their lineup is better than ours overall still. But they're not crazy deep anymore. They now definitely need guys like Bellinger and Lux to produce.