oppression AND tyranny
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goldfly
<B>if my thought dreams could be seen</B>
We don’t negotiate with terrorists
sturg33
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Making up things is a better tactic
goldfly
<B>if my thought dreams could be seen</B>
Legit don’t know what you’re blabbering about
But that you can’t even laugh at or play off a joke (like usual) is really weird but not surprising
nsacpi
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Payment in advance is needed.
As I recall you promised these boards to leave if presented with evidence on the efficacy of masks. And you're still here. Caveat emptor and all that jazz.
sturg33
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Correct. I'm still here
Oh and can you go ahead and pre pay your $100 you owe me on your (wrong yet again) bet that the GOP won't win a single net seat this year?
sturg33
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The buffoon appears to have made up a delusion that I supposedly said and adds to his bizarre dementia copy paste list
goldfly
<B>if my thought dreams could be seen</B>
Not sure if you’re self reflecting
Cause this is what you do
Or talking about someone else
But good luck with it
nsacpi
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unfortunately for you the internet does not forget
sturg33
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I invite you to show your work (again)
nsacpi
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it's more entertaining to do it this way...your modus operandi...accept my adoption of it as a sincere form of flattery
sturg33
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Yes that has nothing to do with Vermont.
Your tyrant from Michigan ordered the shut down of the garden section at non essentials.
There's a reason you won't link to the post. Admitting you're wrong is healthy. Try it!
nsacpi
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for ****s and giggles i offer article on Vermont's oppressive AND tyrannical "banning" of seed sales...the dénouement she comes
https://granitegrok.com/blog/2020/0...ds-in-some-stores-cuz-covid-19-and-a-lot-more
https://granitegrok.com/blog/2020/0...ds-in-some-stores-cuz-covid-19-and-a-lot-more
nsacpi
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still sticking to your guns?
we're all wrong from time to time
i admitted rather graciously last night that you did not exactly say the Trudeau is worse than Putin...you said they were the same and Putin was more honest about it...i feel much better this morning for admitting it was dishonest of me to distort your words like that
Jaw
It's OVER 5,000!
https://www.forbes.com/sites/nicksi...ies-calls-them-not-necessary/?sh=64c696455f80
Apr 16, 2020,01:01pm EDT
This article is more than 2 years old.
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UPDATE: On April 24, Governor Whitmer reversed the ban.
With the coronavirus quickly becoming a new normal, home gardening is taking off, as more and more Americans start to grow their own fruits and vegetables. But in Michigan, many stores have been barred from selling seeds, soils, plants, and other gardening supplies.
Last week, Michigan Governor Gretchen Whitmer ordered all stores larger than 50,000-square feet to cordon off their garden centers and plant nurseries, blocking customers from shopping in those sections through April 30. “If you're not buying food or medicine or other essential items, you should not be going to the store,” Whitmer said when announcing her order.
The shutdown follows an executive order from last month that’s been widely interpreted by many in the industry as banning greenhouses, independent garden centers, and plant nurseries from selling to the public, as part of a larger crackdown on activities deemed “not necessary to sustain or protect life.” (Curiously, the state’s list of “not necessary” items doesn’t include lottery tickets and liquor, which stores can continue to sell.)
During a press conference on Monday, the governor readily conceded that her executive orders have led to “confusion,” with residents “just trying to figure out why you can buy a lottery ticket and not seeds.” “I recognize that there a lot of passionate gardeners in Michigan and I’ve heard from a lot of you,” she added. “Right now, my immediate concern is to try and keep everyone in Michigan safe.”
Undoubtedly, Michigan is in crisis: The state topped 28,000 confirmed novel coronavirus cases Wednesday, while COVID-19 has killed at least 1,921 people. Like other executives, the governor has broad authority to act during emergencies. But those actions can’t be arbitrary and irrational; they must have a “real and substantial relation” to protect public health.
On Wednesday, the Institute for Justice sent a letter to the governor, as well as the state health and agriculture departments, criticizing the executive orders for “impeding the rights of the many Michigan families who seek to grow their own food during these difficult times.” The state’s ban on plant sales is an “unconstitutional prohibition” that deprives Michiganders of “a vital source of sustenance and sanity.”
Simply put, “permitting grocery stores to sell vegetables, fruits, and herbs, but prohibiting nurseries and greenhouses from selling plants so that Michiganders can grow their own vegetables, fruits, and herbs does not make sense.”
If anything, the order to shut down retail sales from garden centers, greenhouses, and plant nurseries could actually be counterproductive. After all, if people can’t buy seeds and plants to grow their own fruit and vegetables, then they can only get fresh produce from grocery stores and supermarkets, which would make those already packed places even more crowded.
Tellingly, Michigan’s diktat is far outside the norm. Nearly all other states allow garden centers and the like to stay open, though a handful have restricted in-store sales. Recognizing their importance to the economy, greenhouses and plant nurseries have been expressly declared “essential businesses” in states as disparate as Illinois and North Carolina.
In fact, the day before Gov. Whitmer announced her order, Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz affirmed that garden centers and plant nurseries are "critical sectors," a decision that reversed his earlier order to shut them down. Now those businesses can reopen, so long as they abide by the Minnesota Department of Agriculture's guidance for social distancing.
Make no mistake: Michigan's ban on selling plants imposed steep costs, with many workers and small business owners fearing for their livelihoods. According to the Michigan Farm Bureau, the state’s gardening industry employs over 9,000 workers, and generates up to $700 million in sales each year.
Moreover, the retail plant industry is highly seasonal. Between mid-March and Memorial Day, greenhouses and garden centers typically earn 60 to 80% of their total sales. As the owner of one greenhouse in Michigan told Crain’s Detroit Business, “We do all of our business in about eight weekends. Our whole year is 16 days. So when the governor shuts us off, she pretty much destroys my business.”
Apr 16, 2020,01:01pm EDT
This article is more than 2 years old.
More From Forbes
Play Video
UPDATE: On April 24, Governor Whitmer reversed the ban.
With the coronavirus quickly becoming a new normal, home gardening is taking off, as more and more Americans start to grow their own fruits and vegetables. But in Michigan, many stores have been barred from selling seeds, soils, plants, and other gardening supplies.
Last week, Michigan Governor Gretchen Whitmer ordered all stores larger than 50,000-square feet to cordon off their garden centers and plant nurseries, blocking customers from shopping in those sections through April 30. “If you're not buying food or medicine or other essential items, you should not be going to the store,” Whitmer said when announcing her order.
The shutdown follows an executive order from last month that’s been widely interpreted by many in the industry as banning greenhouses, independent garden centers, and plant nurseries from selling to the public, as part of a larger crackdown on activities deemed “not necessary to sustain or protect life.” (Curiously, the state’s list of “not necessary” items doesn’t include lottery tickets and liquor, which stores can continue to sell.)
During a press conference on Monday, the governor readily conceded that her executive orders have led to “confusion,” with residents “just trying to figure out why you can buy a lottery ticket and not seeds.” “I recognize that there a lot of passionate gardeners in Michigan and I’ve heard from a lot of you,” she added. “Right now, my immediate concern is to try and keep everyone in Michigan safe.”
Undoubtedly, Michigan is in crisis: The state topped 28,000 confirmed novel coronavirus cases Wednesday, while COVID-19 has killed at least 1,921 people. Like other executives, the governor has broad authority to act during emergencies. But those actions can’t be arbitrary and irrational; they must have a “real and substantial relation” to protect public health.
On Wednesday, the Institute for Justice sent a letter to the governor, as well as the state health and agriculture departments, criticizing the executive orders for “impeding the rights of the many Michigan families who seek to grow their own food during these difficult times.” The state’s ban on plant sales is an “unconstitutional prohibition” that deprives Michiganders of “a vital source of sustenance and sanity.”
Simply put, “permitting grocery stores to sell vegetables, fruits, and herbs, but prohibiting nurseries and greenhouses from selling plants so that Michiganders can grow their own vegetables, fruits, and herbs does not make sense.”
If anything, the order to shut down retail sales from garden centers, greenhouses, and plant nurseries could actually be counterproductive. After all, if people can’t buy seeds and plants to grow their own fruit and vegetables, then they can only get fresh produce from grocery stores and supermarkets, which would make those already packed places even more crowded.
Tellingly, Michigan’s diktat is far outside the norm. Nearly all other states allow garden centers and the like to stay open, though a handful have restricted in-store sales. Recognizing their importance to the economy, greenhouses and plant nurseries have been expressly declared “essential businesses” in states as disparate as Illinois and North Carolina.
In fact, the day before Gov. Whitmer announced her order, Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz affirmed that garden centers and plant nurseries are "critical sectors," a decision that reversed his earlier order to shut them down. Now those businesses can reopen, so long as they abide by the Minnesota Department of Agriculture's guidance for social distancing.
Make no mistake: Michigan's ban on selling plants imposed steep costs, with many workers and small business owners fearing for their livelihoods. According to the Michigan Farm Bureau, the state’s gardening industry employs over 9,000 workers, and generates up to $700 million in sales each year.
Moreover, the retail plant industry is highly seasonal. Between mid-March and Memorial Day, greenhouses and garden centers typically earn 60 to 80% of their total sales. As the owner of one greenhouse in Michigan told Crain’s Detroit Business, “We do all of our business in about eight weekends. Our whole year is 16 days. So when the governor shuts us off, she pretty much destroys my business.”