Legal/scotus thread

[Jaw]

the hyde amendment already barred that

Yeah. Supposedly. Just like if you won't give an addict money for drugs, but you give them money for food and they spend their food money on drugs.

Obama and Nancy losing their minds when Bart Stupak tried to keep abortion funding out of Obamacare showed the world what everyone who pays attention already knew, the federal government heavily subsidizes abortion.

 

[Jaw]

Interesting side factor is that Crime is most likely going up everywhere in a few years. (As anyone that has read freakanomics would know)

If Pubs have half a brain they already have legislation written up to assist single/teen/low income parents by expanding things like Head Start, SNAP, and WIC. That would be some action towards that whole idea that they stop caring about babies once they're born.

(Note that Pubs typically don't act like they have half a brain, so I'm not hopeful.)

 

[sturg33]

If Pubs have half a brain they already have legislation written up to assist single/teen/low income parents by expanding things like Head Start, SNAP, and WIC. That would be some action towards that whole idea that they stop caring about babies once they're born.

(Note that Pubs typically don't act like they have half a brain, so I'm not hopeful.)

We really need to redo the country's adoption laws.

It needs to be much cheaper and much simpler

 

[Jaw]

That's racist

Maybe it's anecdotal, but it looks to me like most of the freakout is coming from white women who don't fit the typical 'impoverished teen getting an abortion' stereotype. They're more the type to either be outraged for others because their parents were hippies and they don't have much of value to protest about, or just part of the do what makes you feel good without any consequences crowd.

 

[57Brave]

 

[Jaw]

We really need to redo the country's adoption laws.

It needs to be much cheaper and much simpler

Yeah, and to be clear I can't imagine more wasteful and fraud ridden places to put more money than those I pointed out. But it would be good politics.

I've thought about adopting now that our two have gotten older. The horror stories and price tags I've seen are pretty big demotivators.

 

[57Brave]

 

[Jaw]

I didn't realize they were still around. Doubt they will be much longer if this becomes widely known.

 

[nsacpi]

it is an irony that the states currently with the most permissive abortion laws are the ones that are most supportive in terms of providing services to help parents care for their children

this article is based on a somewhat dated survey on how various states help families cope with the extra costs of having a special needs child...even though the survey is quite old i suspect the story is the same

https://www.education.com/magazine/article/the-cost-special-how-does-your/

 

[57Brave]

and those with the most restrictive the highest rates of infant mortality and offer the least aid for care

 

[goldfly]

If Pubs have half a brain they already have legislation written up to assist single/teen/low income parents by expanding things like Head Start, SNAP, and WIC. That would be some action towards that whole idea that they stop caring about babies once they're born.

(Note that Pubs typically don't act like they have half a brain, so I'm not hopeful.)

Well, there’s a long history proving they don’t care about that fetus as soon as it’s a human

But hey, would be cool if they did support those programs


They won’t though

 

[goldfly]

That's racist

Yep

Just more evidence that you Should never actually try with ya.

But brilliant response man

 

[57Brave]

Yeah, and to be clear I can't imagine more wasteful and fraud ridden places to put more money than those I pointed out. But it would be good politics.

I've thought about adopting now that our two have gotten older. The horror stories and price tags I've seen are pretty big demotivators.

you " ... thought about adopting "

for all the nonsense peddled here on the side of the unborn and the sanctity of "life" I would have thought every one of you had put your money where your mouths are
sadly ...

keep me posted on how that application is coming along

 

[goldfly]

I didn't realize they were still around. Doubt they will be much longer if this becomes widely known.

There are over 700 stores in the USA

They are in like every shopping mall as an anchor store lol

Are you in one of 3 states they aren’t?

 

[57Brave]

perhaps one of our states rights friend can explain why

on Thursday states were fully capable of deciding who can and can't carry a gun
but come Friday

states were incapable of deciding whether a woman can make decisions effecting her body


hmm

 

[nsacpi]

Well, there’s a long history proving they don’t care about that fetus as soon as it’s a human

But hey, would be cool if they did support those programs


They won’t though

there is one republican who has put out a plan for helping families with children...hopefully he gets some co-sponsors...the proposal has some details that need refining but it would make a big dent in childhood poverty rates

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/02/04/rom...d-families-up-to-4200-per-year-per-child.html

 

[thewupk]

perhaps one of our states rights friend can explain why

on Thursday states were fully capable of deciding who can and can't carry a gun
but come Friday

states were incapable of deciding whether a woman can make decisions effecting her body


hmm

It's really not that difficult. States deciding who can and can't carry a gun infringes on an actual constitutional right in the constitution. It's not something that should be up to them.

Regarding abortion. There is no constitutional right to an abortion. The court decided that their previous legislation from the bench was in error and that it should be up to the states.

 

[thethe]

It's really not that difficult. States deciding who can and can't carry a gun infringes on an actual constitutional right in the constitution. It's not something that should be up to them.

Regarding abortion. There is no constitutional right to an abortion. The court decided that their previous legislation from the bench was in error and that it should be up to the states.

The need to even ask the questions tells you all you need to know.

 

[nsacpi]

It's really not that difficult. States deciding who can and can't carry a gun infringes on an actual constitutional right in the constitution. It's not something that should be up to them.

Regarding abortion. There is no constitutional right to an abortion. The court decided that their previous legislation from the bench was in error and that it should be up to the states.

the jurisprudence on the second amendment has changed quite a bit over the years...i'd be happy to go back 150 years on it

it seems to me that public safety is a competing interest that is of sufficient fundamental importance to compete with various rights enumerated in the constitution...this is generally recognized for example in limitations on speech (can't yell fire in a crowded theater)...once upon a time (150 years ago and actually much more recently as well) courts were more willing to accept that public safety considerations provided state (and federal) governments a certain amount of latitude to constrain the right to bear arms...it will take a while but the pendulum is likely to swing back on that one

 

[57Brave]

How on earth does an armed citizen in WalMart meet the mark of a "well regulated Militia being necesary the the security of a free state"

I get citizens have a constitutional right to keep a well regulated musket on the wall over the fireplace in case of native attacks but ...