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thewupk said:
He was pretty stellar from his debut through the first half of 2011. 7.7 fWAR in around 430 innings. Shoulder injuries are just the death of pitchers.
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Look at that velocity drop (2MPH) going into his third year. Writing was on the wall despite decent production.
 
Hanson’s velocity started dropping before he reached the majors. He was absolutely filthy in the minors. He sat 94 to 98 with 2 disgusting breaking balls. Once he reached the majors it was mostly 93-96 and trended downwards.
 
OcalaBrave said:
The generational talent being the guy that was injured while we won the World Series?
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He was pretty important to the 30 something games we won before he got injured. Safe to say we would have been questionable to even make the playoffs without him.
 
chop2chip said:
The pitching flame outs is pretty bad. Granted, pitchers have universally poor attrition rate, so not sure Braves are uniquely bad in that respect.

But what the hit rates Braves have had with position player prospects by both rate and volume is historically good.
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A lot of the "flameouts" became major leaguers which is a very good outcome.

The Braves have been incredibly lucky with the outcomes on position players and honestly the pitching has worked out pretty well also.
 
Russ2dollas said:
I do not recall Blair, Allard, Toussaint, Maitan, Gohara, or Wilson being top 100. Of the top of my head maybe Wilson made one KLaw list. Maitan was a ton of hype, but that seemed to go away almost the moment he played.

Peraza I do not recall being highly ranked either. We just had a bad system then.

Bethancourt was a shocker to me b/c we were told he was a minimum a stud catcher and then we was not. Pache was super hyped by Klaw. Waters and Newcombe qualify.

But I do think that happens to lot of teams. Probably 75% of the first round picks or more...
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Yeah it's a list that spans like 10+ Years and includes players not expected to do much.
 
CyYoung31 said:
Except that it’s more efficient to focus on position players and their relatively low bust rate, and then trade surplus for proven starting pitching that’s less of a variable than young starting pitching. You still need to develop your own pitching to keep your window open, but if you’re good enough that will happen on its own.
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That's certainly the entrenched view of some folks.

Pitching is expensive and volatile and is a bigger part of the roster and harder to project. It's always in demand.

And smart teams don't trade premium position prospects very often.

Either way, the pilloried Braves approach was hugely successful.
 
Southcack77 said:
A lot of the "flameouts" became major leaguers which is a very good outcome.

The Braves have been incredibly lucky with the outcomes on position players and honestly the pitching has worked out pretty well also.
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Trading major leaguers for pitchers who became (non contributing) major leaguers isn’t a good outcome.
 
CyYoung31 said:
Not sure if serious…
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I was serious.

Ronald is great, but he didn't win us a World Series. 4 outfielders we picked up for largely AAA players, a reliever previously out of baseball with the yips and a 3rd baseman many on here wrote off were all far more important to the World Series run than Acuna.

When your roster looks like Atlanta's the farm needs to produce enough to fill holes with rookies or trades. The farm gave this current team Olson and two rookies playing lights out in Atlanta right now. Thus, it is difficult for me to understand anyone wanting to nit pick a rebuild that clearly worked exceedingly well and attribute it to luck.. Instead, I'd rather enjoy the view from atop the mountain and give AA a pat on the back, but I guess to each their own.
 
OcalaBrave said:
I was serious.

Ronald is great, but he didn't win us a World Series. 4 outfielders we picked up for largely AAA players, a reliever previously out of baseball with the yips and a 3rd baseman many on here wrote off were all far more important to the World Series run than Acuna.

When your roster looks like Atlanta's the farm needs to produce enough to fill holes with rookies or trades. The farm gave this current team Olson and two rookies playing lights out in Atlanta right now. Thus, it is difficult for me to understand anyone wanting to nit pick a rebuild that clearly worked exceedingly well and attribute it to luck.. Instead, I'd rather enjoy the view from atop the mountain and give AA a pat on the back, but I guess to each their own.
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Acuña was the best player in baseball pre-injury last season.

we needed 3-4 outfielders to replace his production.
 
OcalaBrave said:
I was serious.

Ronald is great, but he didn't win us a World Series. 4 outfielders we picked up for largely AAA players, a reliever previously out of baseball with the yips and a 3rd baseman many on here wrote off were all far more important to the World Series run than Acuna.

When your roster looks like Atlanta's the farm needs to produce enough to fill holes with rookies or trades. The farm gave this current team Olson and two rookies playing lights out in Atlanta right now. Thus, it is difficult for me to understand anyone wanting to nit pick a rebuild that clearly worked exceedingly well and attribute it to luck.. Instead, I'd rather enjoy the view from atop the mountain and give AA a pat on the back, but I guess to each their own.
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Then you are a moron and there is no further discussion to be had.

And I wasn’t nitpicking anything. Simply giving a take on rebuilding philosophy. It’s not an exact science.
 
I bet the Angels wish Trout would get hurt, so they could trade for some castoffs to replace him and go win the WS...
 
CyYoung31 said:
Then you are a moron and there is no further discussion to be had.

And I wasn’t nitpicking anything. Simply giving a take on rebuilding philosophy. It’s not an exact science.
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You are better than name calling 31. You know it and I know it.

Matt pointed out the Braves won a WS and have a nice window so he's "not unhappy with how we did anything." Your response was "it was only because we were lucky to hit on positional players and procured a generational talent." I pointed out the presumed generational talent had nothing to do with the WS.

I never said Acuna wasn't a generational talent. I never said we wouldn't have won the WS if he remained healthy. I never said we didn't get lucky on hit rate with positional players (though I think given the quality of prospect of Acuna, Albies and Swanson, Riley was the only bit of luck).
 
Carp said:
I bet the Angels wish Trout would get hurt, so they could trade for some castoffs to replace him and go win the WS...
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Yes. That is almost verbatim what I wrote above. But in your scenario, does the generational talent Trout have anything to do with the Angels winning that WS?
 
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