2022 Trade Deadline

you can only have 13 pitchers.

Assume 5 starters. And in the playoffs we likely keep those 5, even if Strider or Anderson go to the Pen.

1. Jansen
2. Smith
3. Minter
4. Maztek
5. Chavez
6. Lee
7. McHugh
8. Stephens

That is with DOD on a fake injury. I would love a playoff pen w/o DOD. Chavez has been good, but I think you could upgrade him.

We know Yates has a shot to be back and good, but it's still unknown. Soroka is difficult to count on.

Lee and Stephens have been good, but they are potential upgrade spots.
 
Russ2dollas said:
you can only have 13 pitchers.

Assume 5 starters. And in the playoffs we likely keep those 5, even if Strider or Anderson go to the Pen.

1. Jansen
2. Smith
3. Minter
4. Maztek
5. Chavez
6. Lee
7. McHugh
8. Stephens

That is with DOD on a fake injury. I would love a playoff pen w/o DOD. Chavez has been good, but I think you could upgrade him.

We know Yates has a shot to be back and good, but it's still unknown. Soroka is difficult to count on.

Lee and Stephens have been good, but they are potential upgrade spots.
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I guess you carry Stephens on a postseason roster, but it seems like he's the odd many out. Whichever starter gets bumped to the pen could take the mop up and/or long relief role.

Like you I could also see Lee being upgraded. Probably don't need three lefties in a situation where you'll never play more than two straight days.
 
bravesfanMatt said:
I still just can't get excited about a mid 30's reliever who hasn't thrown a pitch in 2 years as a reliable source of quality innings..
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Yeah, its tough. Luckily we don't need to rely on getting 50+ innings from him. If he could find a way to pitch 20-25 innings and be somewhat close to what he once was then he is a dynamite weapon for us.
 
You can’t pitch DOD or Chavez in a meaningful playoff game. Absolutely need to upgrade at least one of those slots. Kirby Yates hopefully fills one, and I suspect Braves will try to upgrade the other.
 
chop2chip said:
You can’t pitch DOD or Chavez in a meaningful playoff game. Absolutely need to upgrade at least one of those slots. Kirby Yates hopefully fills one, and I suspect Braves will try to upgrade the other.
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Chavez...
2.97 era
3.06 FIP
3.14 xFIP
0.6 fWAR

He had 7 appearances in postseason with 0 er last season... he was fortunate though. The pen is deeper this season though
 
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chop2chip said:
You can’t pitch DOD or Chavez in a meaningful playoff game. Absolutely need to upgrade at least one of those slots. Kirby Yates hopefully fills one, and I suspect Braves will try to upgrade the other.
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I don't get why Chavez keeps getting so much shade thrown at him. Dude has been excellent and the peripherals are pretty clear it's not a mirage. He was very good in the playoffs last year.
 
Not sure if I think you can pitch Chavez in a meaningful game but I am also not sure that you can't. He is getting the job done and has done so for the Braves over a somewhat decent sample size.
 
The goal should be to have as few "you can't pitch this guy in a playoff game" guys as possible. As always, there will be well over a dozen relievers and a few guys capable of closing available. Zero excuse not to try to land one of them at least.
 
bravesnumberone said:
The goal should be to have as few "you can't pitch this guy in a playoff game" guys as possible. As always, there will be well over a dozen relievers and a few guys capable of closing available. Zero excuse not to try to land one of them at least.
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So what we trading to upgrade the bottom of our bullpen?
 
msstate7 said:
So what we trading to upgrade the bottom of our bullpen?
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Well depending on who it is and years of control, guys like Muller and Davidson are certainly on the table. I'd start with looking at teams that might have a lot of value in AAAA type arms who can potentially stabilize their big-league rotation. This was probably one argument against trading three players (when the consensus seems to be that we're a thin system) for one draft pick, even though I agree with the draft strategy that's been articulated. It could also have been a solid argument for knocking off the bull**** and giving Freddie his sixth year. Considering Will Smith could be a free agent after the season and wouldn't cost another team much at all, you could look at including him in a deal, too. Sweeten the pot a little with some big-league players. Or we can just bank on Jansen staying healthy and Yates giving us what we think he could.
 
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zbhargrove said:
I don't get why Chavez keeps getting so much shade thrown at him. Dude has been excellent and the peripherals are pretty clear it's not a mirage. He was very good in the playoffs last year.
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.354 xWOBA, and let’s face it, it’s not like the eye test is much better. I love the results he’s getting and he’s perfectly capable in a swing innings role.
 
bravesnumberone said:
Well depending on who it is and years of control, guys like Muller and Davidson are certainly on the table. I'd start with looking at teams that might have a lot of value in AAAA type arms who can potentially stabilize their big-league rotation. This was probably one argument against trading three players (when the consensus seems to be that we're a thin system) for one draft pick, even though I agree with the draft strategy that's been articulated. It could also have been a solid argument for knocking off the bull**** and giving Freddie his sixth year. Considering Will Smith could be a free agent after the season and wouldn't cost another team much at all, you could look at including him in a deal, too. Sweeten the pot a little with some big-league players. Or we can just bank on Jansen staying healthy and Yates giving us what we think he could.
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No thank you on including Muller in a deal if the return is a 6/7th inning guy.
 
bravesnumberone said:
I'm thinking more a closer-type guy. I would rather save Muller for a trade for a hitter or SP in the offseason, but we'll see.
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The problem with trading Muller is we very well may need him to step into the rotation at some point. We've been pretty fortunate that our starters have stayed healthy. But injuries pop up all the time. Not sure who else is up next on the depth chart.
 
thethe said:
No thank you on including Muller in a deal if the return is a 6/7th inning guy.
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Agreed. If AA is going to upgrade a spot in the BP it should be a clear upgrade that can contribute in October. That means someone with a sub-.300 xwOBA vs RHH.

Replacing Chavez with another Chavez would be rather pointless.
 
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