Heyward
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We just hoping Grissom is the real deal? But i agree a long-term deal for Swanson is risky/tricky given alot of his value is on defense.
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We just hoping Grissom is the real deal? But i agree a long-term deal for Swanson is risky/tricky given alot of his value is on defense.
I think we have to go the trade route. Hope Anderson reclaims some of his value and use him along with absorbing salary to get an upgrade.
Kim from the Padres may end up being an option if we absorb one of their contracts.
striker42
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He's not bad this year by any means, he's just not elite like he was last year. At 32 it's possible his regression is age related decline. So there is concern about how much money he'll be worth over the remainder of that deal. I'm just hopeful our front office has some metrics supporting the investment in him.
One thing that does concern me is that this is the front office that gave Will Smith an unwise contract and the front office that traded for Richard Rodriguez last year. Smith's struggles are well known and Rodriguez is in AAA currently.
But that type of hitter with potentially regression in defense is not worth what I think Swanson will want or get on the open market.
Heyward
<B>Voted Worst Poster <br>'13, '14, '15 (Co-Winner
Would you give him 6 or 7 years?
50PoundHead
Hessmania Forever
Agree. Anthopoulos rolled hot dice last deadline and it paid off. Duvall, Soler, Rosario, and Pederson all got varying degrees of torrid, but outside of Duvall (obvious warts aside) there was no way of knowing that any of them would catch fire the way they did. They all had decent but not overwhelming pedigrees and the acquisition costs were extremely low, so to that extent, it was all quite low-risk with a surprisingly high reward. Anthopoulos is very good at what he does, but I really think last deadline was an absolute anomaly. The Grossman deal is reminiscent of last year's strategy and hopefully it nets the same results.
msstate7
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I'd give em 5. Not sure about 6-7. Rather it be 4 haha
Hudson2
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If Correa opts out I think the Twins will be. I don’t think the Cubs are there yet to compete so I could see them waiting. The Sox haven’t been aggressive with trying to get Xander to stay and just signed Story so who knows. I do think the other teams will be aggressive though. Just offer Dansby the QO and see what happens. Our best case scenerio is that he accepts and Grissom gets another full year of development.
I think the Riley extension timing is partly due to the fact the FO thinks Dansby is gone, and they’re softening the blow for the fans after the Freddie departure.
I like Dansby but I wouldn’t pay retail for him.
I’d be fine with our SS being a glove first type hitting 9th. We’re going to have to offset contracts somewhere.
I like Dansby but I wouldn’t pay retail for him.
I’d be fine with our SS being a glove first type hitting 9th. We’re going to have to offset contracts somewhere.
Heyward
<B>Voted Worst Poster <br>'13, '14, '15 (Co-Winner
Seems unlikely he'd accept but it is a question on who will spend for SS if we assume Dodgers keep Turner. Cubs might not be ready to compete but they have money to spend.
Heyward
<B>Voted Worst Poster <br>'13, '14, '15 (Co-Winner
On that same surface, we have alot of money off the books in the next 2 years. But i wouldnt have a complete stiff at SS either.
Hudson2
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Swanson will be 6 from somebody at probably 25 per year. I just hope it’s not us. I’d rather pay a little more and get 1 of the other 3.
Hudson2
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Dansby would be gambling big time if he did accept. But he’d be the lone SS in 23 and would probably get more money. Judge turned down a huge deal from the Yankees last year and in ST and it’s paid off big time. We’ll see what happens but I think AA wants to bring Dansby back but already knows what his number is and that’s why he pivoted to locking up Riley now so he didn’t have the same problem with him later on.
OcalaBrave
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I think Russ nails it.
The Riley and Olson deals tell Swanson what it looks like to end your career as a Brave. Dansby will be 29 in the first year of his contract. So unless he signs for 3 years or less, this is likely to be his one chance to change his great grand kids lives.
Dansby's agent learned there are no sacred cows in the Braves organization. Chipper tried to convey to Freddie that hitting FA was dangerous if he wanted to be a lifelong Brave. Dansby watched first hand. I'd be shocked if Dansby hasn't talked to Freddie about the impact of his FA on his family and to Chipper about being a lifelong Brave. The biggest difference I see between the Freddie and Dansby is Freddie went home. Dansby is already home.
AA clearly has comfort offering lesser aav, but more years, to those that want to be a Brave for life. Dansby's historic production hasn't screamed for payment at the top end of the shortstop scale. He is having a good year, but the Olson and Riley deals clearly tell him his market on a long term deal with the Braves is likely going to top out below $20 million a year.
I suspect if he is going to stay a Brave, he will get an extension prior to hitting FA. I'd guess something in the 6 year range for $90-$110 range based upon how he ends this season.
That'd give the Braves 5 regulars locked up to long terms contracts (Olson, Riley, Albie, Acuna and Swanson) and Contreras and Harris tied up as well. So they'd be looking for a LF and a DH annually in the bargain bin for the everyday lineup until someone has to be moved off their current position. That's when things could get dicey. However, if Grissom isn't a mirage, he seems able to slot in pretty easily at most of these positions to cover that threat.
That's a pretty long window that would permit the Braves to almost exclusively focus on cheap young pitching and long term prospect development. Which seems pretty ideal to perpetuating the window.
The Riley and Olson deals tell Swanson what it looks like to end your career as a Brave. Dansby will be 29 in the first year of his contract. So unless he signs for 3 years or less, this is likely to be his one chance to change his great grand kids lives.
Dansby's agent learned there are no sacred cows in the Braves organization. Chipper tried to convey to Freddie that hitting FA was dangerous if he wanted to be a lifelong Brave. Dansby watched first hand. I'd be shocked if Dansby hasn't talked to Freddie about the impact of his FA on his family and to Chipper about being a lifelong Brave. The biggest difference I see between the Freddie and Dansby is Freddie went home. Dansby is already home.
AA clearly has comfort offering lesser aav, but more years, to those that want to be a Brave for life. Dansby's historic production hasn't screamed for payment at the top end of the shortstop scale. He is having a good year, but the Olson and Riley deals clearly tell him his market on a long term deal with the Braves is likely going to top out below $20 million a year.
I suspect if he is going to stay a Brave, he will get an extension prior to hitting FA. I'd guess something in the 6 year range for $90-$110 range based upon how he ends this season.
That'd give the Braves 5 regulars locked up to long terms contracts (Olson, Riley, Albie, Acuna and Swanson) and Contreras and Harris tied up as well. So they'd be looking for a LF and a DH annually in the bargain bin for the everyday lineup until someone has to be moved off their current position. That's when things could get dicey. However, if Grissom isn't a mirage, he seems able to slot in pretty easily at most of these positions to cover that threat.
That's a pretty long window that would permit the Braves to almost exclusively focus on cheap young pitching and long term prospect development. Which seems pretty ideal to perpetuating the window.
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50PoundHead
Hessmania Forever
Correa is in the absolute catbird's seat. He's still an offensive force and a great defensive player, but given he's having a bit of an off-season to this point, he can just exercise his option and get paid $35.1 MM for 2023 depending on what the shortstop market looks like. If it's flooded with other guys, Correa might just wait a year. Regardless, I doubt he's going to move unless it looks like he can get more than $35.1 MM AAV. He'll only be 28 going into next season, so length of contract could bring down the AAV a bit, but he'll probably be looking for something north of Freeman's ask last off-season.
NYCBrave
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Can we even afford to give Dansby the type of contract extension that's being discussed here? Not sure how it fits into our future payroll, even though it's much higher now. But that would most certainly take away the ability to extend Fried right? Not that I'm advocating for that.
Depends because when you project outward into years 3/4 and on you have a bunch of under performing players off the books. But you can't expect to have efficient contracts at all positions.
Heyward
<B>Voted Worst Poster <br>'13, '14, '15 (Co-Winner
We do have alot of money off the books in the coming years: TDA, McHugh, Ozuna, Morton, Odorizzi, Rosario. Bowman has speculated we'll be a top tier payroll team soon, how high he means by that is anyones guess. Wont be at the Mets/Dodgers level but Phillies/Padres just under the luxury tax threshold i can see. Fried contract is most tricky since AA hasnt given out a long-term deal to a pitcher yet. Could just play it out and let him hit FA in a few years. There's plenty of money for Dansby or someone else.