Best Baseball Player --- Ever

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57Brave

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Henry Aaron today tommorw and yesterday for me

but,

This conversation came up (again) last night after reading on twitter a distinguished sportswriter proclaiming no HOF players in this years ASG.

We started talking about Miguel Cabrera and should he win back to back Triple Crowns - that has to historically put him in the upper-upper-upper echelon.

And , who since Aaron,Mays Clemente Era fits in the conversation? Mariano Rivera maybe?

What say you?
 
I just go by what old timers tell me but its either Mays/Mantle(when healthy)/Dimaggio
 
Of my time? And (my addition) with no links to steroids? Maddux.

Ever? Mantle.
 
Best player I've ever seen is Bonds, roids or no roids...he was the best.

Ever, Cobb or Ruth.
 
Ruth.

Post-integration: Aaron.

Personally seen: Junior Griffey.

Willie Mays is in the conversation. Ted Williams if he hadn't missed three years of his prime to military service.

No beef with a Bonds pick. I like the Maddux selection, too.
 
Caveat: I'm talking position players only here.

Ruth is by himself. The next level is Cobb, Williams, Bonds, and Wagner.

The next level would include Gehrig, Mays, Mantle, Aaron, Musial, and Speaker.

Clemente, as great as he was, would not be in my top 30. Cabrera is building a resume, though.
 
I'm surprised I haven't heard this name mentioned for players from my generation (early 90's - now), Albert Pujols. I have a hard time considering Bonds, so it has to be Pujols. The guy has played 13 years and has a career batting average over .320 and a career OPS over 1.000! That's just unheard of in this day and age. What's even more impressive, and this was something I always admired about Chipper, is his SO/BB ratio. Dude has 1066 Walks to 831 SO's. Once again, unheard of, and to me the true sign of greatness. All that being said, I never was fond of Pujols, always came off as a total jerk.
 
JCarbo76 said:
Caveat: I'm talking position players only here.

Ruth is by himself. The next level is Cobb, Williams, Bonds, and Wagner.

The next level would include Gehrig, Mays, Mantle, Aaron, Musial, and Speaker.

Clemente, as great as he was, would not be in my top 30. Cabrera is building a resume, though.
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Agreed! It has to be Ruth all time. If you compare his numbers to the rest of his era, it's just remarkable, nothing even came close.
 
I couldnt prove to you either way how Ruth would perform against players today.

In my personal opinion I couldnt put certain guys such as Ruth at the top.

Barry Bonds is the greatest player of all time.

8 gold gloves...700+ Hrs...500+ SBs..
 
tlroom112 said:
I'm surprised I haven't heard this name mentioned for players from my generation (early 90's - now), Albert Pujols. I have a hard time considering Bonds, so it has to be Pujols. The guy has played 13 years and has a career batting average over .320 and a career OPS over 1.000! That's just unheard of in this day and age. What's even more impressive, and this was something I always admired about Chipper, is his SO/BB ratio. Dude has 1066 Walks to 831 SO's. Once again, unheard of, and to me the true sign of greatness. All that being said, I never was fond of Pujols, always came off as a total jerk.
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The problem with Albert is, he is falling off a cliff at "31" or whatever he is....Bonds was a god for 22 years....22 years!!!!

The lowest OPS he had from 1992 - 2007 was .999....THE LOWEST!!!!!!!!!!! Yes I know, roids......but I don't care....look at his stats from 1992 to 2007, even pre-roids he had stupid numbers plus 30-40 steals a year.

Hell, I could argue that Bonds is the greatest ever....not just the greatest I've ever seen.
 
My inner inner circle of HOF based on career accomplishments would be

1. Ruth
2. Mays
3. Cobb (simply for longevity honestly)
4. Wagner
5. Williams

Rounding out the top 10 would be Hammerin Hank, Barry Bonds, Tris Speaker, Stan the Man and Rogers Hornsby. Mantle and Gehrig would be in the mix if they just had a few more healthy seasons.
 
BRule said:
The problem with Albert is, he is falling off a cliff at "31" or whatever he is....Bonds was a god for 22 years....22 years!!!!

The lowest OPS he had from 1992 - 2007 was .999....THE LOWEST!!!!!!!!!!! Yes I know, roids......but I don't care....look at his stats from 1992 to 2007, even pre-roids he had stupid numbers plus 30-40 steals a year.

Hell, I could argue that Bonds is the greatest ever....not just the greatest I've ever seen.
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You could say Bonds was juicing his entire career. It was much easier in the 90's too. Guy has no merit in my mind as one of the games best players.
 
BRule said:
The problem with Albert is, he is falling off a cliff at "31" or whatever he is....Bonds was a god for 22 years....22 years!!!!

The lowest OPS he had from 1992 - 2007 was .999....THE LOWEST!!!!!!!!!!! Yes I know, roids......but I don't care....look at his stats from 1992 to 2007, even pre-roids he had stupid numbers plus 30-40 steals a year.

Hell, I could argue that Bonds is the greatest ever....not just the greatest I've ever seen.
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I'm sorry but I refuse to acknowledge those numbers. The history of the human body tells you a players prime is from 27-32 for baseball. If you look at Bonds career stats, he had HOF numbers his whole career, but all of the sudden they went to another level at age 35-40. No justification for that.

Now if you want to compare Pujols first 12 season vs Bonds first 12 seasons, I can go there, and it would be an interesting debate.
 
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