2023 MLB Draft Thread

striker42 said:
If you want to make the argument that the 2019 draft was decent solely because of Harris, that's a legitimate position. I might disagree with it but it's definitely a point one could argue legitimately.

The issue I have is congratulating ourselves if a draft pick makes it to the majors. If a guy makes it to the majors and only every performs at replacement level, he's not brought any more value than a guy who never made it past A ball.

Not everyone has to make it to the majors in a draft and you don't need multiple All Stars to make a draft good. But if a guy is never more than replacement level at the majors, it's a miss. It's a pick that resulted in zero value. Making it to the majors is ultimately meaningless. Contributing at the majors is what matters.
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A player can bring value to a club in other ways though. Dan Meyer pitched only 113 innings in his ML career. While he was a bust in general, he was also a pretty great prospect that ended up being the central part of the Huddy deal.
 
Carp said:
A player can bring value to a club in other ways though. Dan Meyer pitched only 113 innings in his ML career. While he was a bust in general, he was also a pretty great prospect that ended up being the central part of the Huddy deal.
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I guess there are just different ways of judging a draft. You can look at the end result of the player for the team (e.g. Meyer) which will tell you how much value the team extracted out of the pick. But you can also look at what the player eventually did in context of the pick. That gives you a better idea of how good your team is at scouting and developing amateur players.

A team could extract a lot of value out of a draft by trading prospects and so that draft have been a great draft. But if the same draft never produced any major league contribution it could still be considered a bad draft.

Depends on what metric you want to use.
 
I'm confused...

The Braves have the best team in the NL (perhaps in all of MLB) built around players they have drafted and developed, drafted and traded for MLB talent, or signed internationally. This 100+ win roster is almost entirely homegrown, or acquired by trading away homegrown talent. All of this was done with international sanctions and low draft picks limiting the talent they could bring in.

How anyone can complain about the Braves draft/dev process is a true mystery. Getting a player like Harris in the 5th round is just as impressive as flopping on Shewmake is bad, so to somehow claim one is more significant than the other is being intellectually dishonest.

The Braves are a model organization from top to bottom in all facets of professional sports management. AA is inarguably in the Top 5 of all MLB GMs.
 
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Enscheff said:
I'm confused...

The Braves have the best team in the NL (perhaps in all of MLB) built around players they have drafted and developed, drafted and traded for MLB talent, or signed internationally. This 100+ win roster is almost entirely homegrown, or acquired by trading away homegrown talent. All of this was done with international sanctions and low draft picks limiting the talent they could bring in.

How anyone can complain about the Braves draft/dev process is a true mystery. Getting a player like Harris in the 5th round is just as impressive as flopping on Shewmake is bad, so to somehow claim one is more significant than the other is being intellectually dishonest.

The Braves are a model organization from top to bottom in all facets of professional sports management. AA is inarguably in the Top 5 of all MLB GMs.
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For the record, the Braves are very, very good at drafting and developing. The first three picks of 2019 don't look great anymore but getting Harris in the 5th was incredible.

Also, look at 2020. That draft was insane. We had four picks and three are currently contributing on our major league roster. Shuster, Strider, and Elder. The fourth pick was Jesse Franklin who has battled injuries but is still a bit of a lottery ticket.
 
striker42 said:
I guess there are just different ways of judging a draft. You can look at the end result of the player for the team (e.g. Meyer) which will tell you how much value the team extracted out of the pick. But you can also look at what the player eventually did in context of the pick. That gives you a better idea of how good your team is at scouting and developing amateur players.

A team could extract a lot of value out of a draft by trading prospects and so that draft have been a great draft. But if the same draft never produced any major league contribution it could still be considered a bad draft.

Depends on what metric you want to use.
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Not really.
 
striker42 said:
For the record, the Braves are very, very good at drafting and developing. The first three picks of 2019 don't look great anymore but getting Harris in the 5th was incredible.

Also, look at 2020. That draft was insane. We had four picks and three are currently contributing on our major league roster. Shuster, Strider, and Elder. The fourth pick was Jesse Franklin who has battled injuries but is still a bit of a lottery ticket.
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MLB draft is weird. To me it is about he value you get from the class, not the order. Writing that it is still weird to think about a good 2019 draft with missing so bad on picks 2 and 3.....That said Shuster is on the team and Shewmake has played this year.

Harris is a big win.

I think Langeliers (spelling?) was a win. Top 100 guy who turned into Olson. Not doing the Olson/FF thing here, but he got us a starter.

2019 also got us Grissom, who may not be even a good player but he is an asset for us.

2019 also got us Bryce Ball who got us Joc for the WS run.
 
I would be willing to bet MLB FOs care about getting a Strider or Harris every year, and don't care if that kid was drafted in the 1st round or 5th round.

This idea that missing in the 1st is worse than hitting in the 5th is good...is an odd take.
 
Braves converted Langeliers into the 6th best 1B the last two season by fWAR.

They wouldn’t have been able to do that if he wasn’t a top 100 prospect.

Most first round picks don’t become top 100 prospects.

Funny to think that the Braves screwed up that pick because the A’s (who are a complete clown show) can’t develop Langeliers into a good player.
 
Getting Harris was a win in itself regardless of what the rest of the draft was. That Strider/Elder/Shuster draft was crazy, getting 3 SP's in one draft with like 5 picks total given the Covid year is crazy. Having Shea and using him to get Olson as our 1B of the future was a W as well.
 
Enscheff said:
I would be willing to bet MLB FOs care about getting a Strider or Harris every year, and don't care if that kid was drafted in the 1st round or 5th round.

This idea that missing in the 1st is worse than hitting in the 5th is good...is an odd take.
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Context. My initial response was to a post saying the draft was awesome and listing the fact that Langeliers and Shewmake made it to the majors as support. I disagreed with that and don't give the draft any points for guys making it to the majors. A pick that makes it to the majors and doesn't contribute is no better for a draft than one that flames our in A ball.

Of course you grade a draft as a whole.
 
striker42 said:
Context. My initial response was to a post saying the draft was awesome and listing the fact that Langeliers and Shewmake made it to the majors as support. I disagreed with that and don't give the draft any points for guys making it to the majors. A pick that makes it to the majors and doesn't contribute is no better for a draft than one that flames our in A ball.

Of course you grade a draft as a whole.
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Shemake is still TBD. Langeliers gets points for netting us Olson. At that point what Langliers does is irrelevant. The Braves got value out of him.
 
striker42 said:
Context. My initial response was to a post saying the draft was awesome and listing the fact that Langeliers and Shewmake made it to the majors as support. I disagreed with that and don't give the draft any points for guys making it to the majors. A pick that makes it to the majors and doesn't contribute is no better for a draft than one that flames our in A ball.

Of course you grade a draft as a whole.
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Those two along with Harris and Grissom makes it a very good draft. What is the debate here? That’s a really good draft lol
 
24. Braves: Chase Davis, OF, Arizona

Davis may have the most steam of any player mentioned in the first round of the 2023 MLB draft. He’s improved at the plate in so many areas. He has displayed an ability to hit for average and a lot of power this season. He also has really improved his plate discipline.
 
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