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thethe said:
Social Security / Medicare
Radical Abortion positions that play awfully nationally
Foreign policy of endless neo-con war

Its pretty obvious.
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1. He believes in math and not fantasy. Trump wrote in his book the exact same polices, by the way
2. thethe believe it would be better to have slaughtered the tens of thousands of babies who have been saved by these laws in order to keep the democrats happy
3. RDS' position on the Ukraine was is far more sensible than Trump's, which is to double down on the Biden policy in arming the Ukranians
 
sturg33 said:
1. He believes in math and not fantasy. Trump wrote in his book the exact same polices, by the way
2. thethe believe it would be better to have slaughtered the tens of thousands of babies who have been saved by these laws in order to keep the democrats happy
3. RDS' position on the Ukraine was is far more sensible than Trump's, which is to double down on the Biden policy in arming the Ukranians
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(1) He believes in keeping the status quo while others get high off the hog and the people suffer (great national startegy!)
(2) You already don't understand how to play a long game and push policies that will result in more babies dying (which is awful on your part).
(3) Yeah, the 'Peace President' who you said was the best foriegn policy person of your lifetime all of a sudden doesn't know the right path forward with someone he kept at bay for 4 years

Completely dishonest arguing from you which is the absolute norm lately.
 
thethe said:
Yes - It was his influence and not all the cheating you SWORE by was happening the past 4 years.

Got it!!!!!!!

RDS influence seems to suck now. Jacksonville candidate beat embarrassingly as well as NC candidate. And now he is about to get smoked in the GOP primary. SO yes - RDS loses plenty too.
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Some candidates were able to overcome it and others weren't. The candidates who did - RDS, Youngkin, Kemp, Reynolds, etc... all have been attacked by Donald Trump for some reason
 
sturg33 said:
Some candidates were able to overcome it and others weren't. The candidates who did - RDS, Youngkin, Kemp, Reynolds, etc... all have been attacked by Donald Trump for some reason
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Again - Your whole paradigm shifted (Election malfeasance) because you are being completely dishonest about your arguments. And thats fine - But there is a record and most of us at least try to be consistent.
 
thethe said:
(1) He believes in keeping the status quo while others get high off the hog and the people suffer (great national startegy!)
(2) You already don't understand how to play a long game and push policies that will result in more babies dying (which is awful on your part).
(3) Yeah, the 'Peace President' who you said was the best foriegn policy person of your lifetime all of a sudden doesn't know the right path forward with someone he kept at bay for 4 years

Completely dishonest arguing from you which is the absolute norm lately.
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1. Trump and Biden's solution will be to print the money to cover the shortfall. RDS solution would be to solve the underlying issue.
2. I understand you want to play both sides of this but your desire for more abortion today to help you win an election disgusts me
3. Why is it that I am not allowed to decipher Trump's very own words. Trump armed the Ukrainians during his presidency (remember when he threatened not to and then bent over like he always did?)... what's going to stop him now? He just told you his plan. Do you think he is lying to us?
 
sturg33 said:
1. Trump and Biden's solution will be to print the money to cover the shortfall. RDS solution would be to solve the underlying issue.
2. I understand you want to play both sides of this but your desire for more abortion today to help you win an election disgusts me
3. Why is it that I am not allowed to decipher Trump's very own words. Trump armed the Ukrainians during his presidency (remember when he threatened not to and then bent over like he always did?)... what's going to stop him now? He just told you his plan. Do you think he is lying to us?
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(1) Oh Sturg tell me then what is RDS's GRAND SOLUTION that you seem to think he has
(2) Play both sides? I'm playing a long game that results in less babies getting killed. You are obviously a short term thinker that will get blitzed long term which disgusts me.
(3) You mean Trump is telling us the same things he did during his peace presidancy and we are expecting different outcomes because RDS has this 'Grand Solution' which he dances around every single time Ukraine comes up?
 
thethe said:
Again - Your whole paradigm shifted (Election malfeasance) because you are being completely dishonest about your arguments. And thats fine - But there is a record and most of us at least try to be consistent.
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I'm not interested in "winning" elections where my preferred candidate doesn't get installed into power anymore.

RDS, Reynold, Youngkin, and Kemp are actually advancing conservative policies and impacting people. Kari Lake is selling books. I wish her the best but she isn't doing my any good right now. Trump should be praising the people who have figured out how to win... not trashing them.
 
sturg33 said:
I'm not interested in "winning" elections where my preferred candidate doesn't get installed into power anymore.

RDS, Reynold, Youngkin, and Kemp are actually advancing conservative policies and impacting people. Kari Lake is selling books. I wish her the best but she isn't doing my any good right now. Trump should be praising the people who have figured out how to win... not trashing them.
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Yeah you just go with the flow on what the powers that be tell you can run in elections. Good boy
 
thethe said:
(1) Oh Sturg tell me then what is RDS's GRAND SOLUTION that you seem to think he has
(2) Play both sides? I'm playing a long game that results in less babies getting killed. You are obviously a short term thinker that will get blitzed long term which disgusts me.
(3) You mean Trump is telling us the same things he did during his peace presidancy and we are expecting different outcomes because RDS has this 'Grand Solution' which he dances around every single time Ukraine comes up?
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1. I doubt RDS has the political will to actually take on the social security nightmare. But I am certain Trump does not.
2. Yes - your position is that you'd prefer to sacrifice babies today in order to potentially save more down the road. I know you don't want to actually admit to that, but that is 100% what your position means. Shameful
3. Trump armed the Ukrainians during his tenure. Trump is saying he will send them more arms than they have ever gotten. What am I supposed to take from this info?
 
sturg33 said:
1. I doubt RDS has the political will to actually take on the social security nightmare. But I am certain Trump does not.
2. Yes - your position is that you'd prefer to sacrifice babies today in order to potentially save more down the road. I know you don't want to actually admit to that, but that is 100% what your position means. Shameful
3. Trump armed the Ukrainians during his tenure. Trump is saying he will send them more arms than they have ever gotten. What am I supposed to take from this info?
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(1) Political will meaning screwing the working class while nobody of means is signfiicantly altered. STANDARD GOP PLAYBOOK!!! Why is RDS down 30+ points?!?!?!?!
(2) Again - Completely misrepresenting my position. We were talking about running for national election and not what happens in deep red states. So just continuing your dishonesty and opens my eyes a little more about the complaints about you the past 15 years on this forum.
(3) You're supposed to remember the time you said that he was the best foreign policy president of your time lifetime and understand those same positions will lead to more peace.
 
actually they are trying to ensure Trump is the nominee... then they will take him out

its a nice little trap we're walking into yet again - jan 6 style
 
sturg33 said:
do you think it is good or bad that Kemp, RDS, Youngkin, and Reynolds won their elections?
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Every non-communist that wins elections are a good thing.

I do think there are better R candidates for the people though.

Maybe you haven't noticed but there are MASSIVE issues with insurance/real estate in Florida right now and just like standard GOP results the rich are doing find and the middle class is getting screwed. But you don't care about that because of reasons....
 
sturg33 said:
actually they are trying to ensure Trump is the nominee... then they will take him out

its a nice little trap we're walking into yet again - jan 6 style
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Yeah this is the last remaining DeSimp talking point. I'm sure the left on their never ending quest to remove Trump for office are doing it now to make sure he runs.

With this type of logic I can't understand why the Desantis support is cratering.
 
thethe said:
(1) Political will meaning screwing the working class while nobody of means is signfiicantly altered. STANDARD GOP PLAYBOOK!!! Why is RDS down 30+ points?!?!?!?!
(2) Again - Completely misrepresenting my position. We were talking about running for national election and not what happens in deep red states. So just continuing your dishonesty and opens my eyes a little more about the complaints about you the past 15 years on this forum.
(3) You're supposed to remember the time you said that he was the best foreign policy president of your time lifetime and understand those same positions will lead to more peace.
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1. Political will meaning if nothing is done now, everyone will be screwed in a decade
2. you and trump both said the abortion bill signed by RDS was too harsh. That bill and others like it has led to tens of thousands of babies being spared their slaughter. your position is that signing those bills was a strategic mistake for the long term, is it not? I asked you for clarity the other day and you declined to do. I'll ask again... is your position that signing the 6 week abortion bill - that has led to tens of thousands of babies saved - a strategic mistake for the long term?
3. Trump was the best foreign policy president of my lifetime but that does not mean he was good. he exploded the MIC spending... sent thousands of drones. And sent American weapons to Ukraine to help them fight against Russia. Now a bigger war has broken out and he is pledging to increase our current support for the Ukranians. These are all facts that you can't simply wish away
 
thethe said:
Every non-communist that wins elections are a good thing.

I do think there are better R candidates for the people though.

Maybe you haven't noticed but there are MASSIVE issues with insurance/real estate in Florida right now and just like standard GOP results the rich are doing find and the middle class is getting screwed. But you don't care about that because of reasons....
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So if you agree their wins are a good thing... why does Trump bash them (literally all of them?)
 
thethe said:
Yeah this is the last remaining DeSimp talking point. I'm sure the left on their never ending quest to remove Trump for office are doing it now to make sure he runs.

With this type of logic I can't understand why the Desantis support is cratering.
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It's not a talking point... it's the reality. They have indicted him twice and at least one more is coming. The arraignment dates are already scheduled for next year during the campaign. He is going to be spending a ton of money just defending himself from the communists.

Trump's best chance to avoid a jail cell is an RDS nomination
 
sturg33 said:
So if you agree their wins are a good thing... why does Trump bash them (literally all of them?)
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Its a good thing in comparison to having a communist running the state. Don't know too much about Reynolds but I otherwise I think all states would be better off with more America First people.
 
sturg33 said:
It's not a talking point... it's the reality. They have indicted him twice and at least one more is coming. The arraignment dates are already scheduled for next year during the campaign. He is going to be spending a ton of money just defending himself from the communists.

Trump's best chance to avoid a jail cell is an RDS nomination
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Nonsense - His best chance of beating these phony indictments is time because they will all be outed as garbage and then he will be president after winning his third election in a row.
 
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