Some Red State/Blue State Indicia

nsacpi said:
One more tidbit. Almost half of immigrants living in California have college degrees, often in highly desirable technical and scientific fields. That's a higher proportion than native-born Californians.

A big part of California's secret sauce is education:

1) It churns out huge numbers of highly educated students

2) It augments those by consistently being a net gainer in young well-educated people

3) It further augments that by attracting a large number of well-educated immigrants.

This explains both its Marxist politics and its high levels of productivity and income.
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Yes im aware that republicans built a powerhouse in a state that has unimaginable natural advantages thanks to its land and climate... but the trend is not your friend since Dems took a stranglehold on the government. A few examples in the last few years

1. Second highest unemployment rate in the US at the end of 2024

2. GDP growth lower than the national average... where it used to easily surpass

3. Record budget deficits

4. Huge slowdown in job growth, now we'll behind the national average after outpacing for decades

5. Population declines... for the first time since 1950s. LOL

6. The tech and inormation sector has 12% fewer jobs today than pre covid... highlighting the talent bleed of the state to Texas and others

7. Leads the country in poverty and homeless rate


It took 20 years of full Dem control to decimate a juggernaut. But our academic lives in the past
 
Per capital income growth in California from 2014 to 2024: 69% (#3 in the country)

Per capital income growth in the United States from 2014 to 2024: 56%

If the rest of the country had matched California's growth rate in the past decade each person in the country would have an extra $4,000 in income. Per year.

Yes, the Democrats have some bad policies. But surely other states might want to investigate the secrets of their success. We should all be humble enough to learn from the best practices of other states and countries. Maybe Oklahoma should aspire to having better education rather than more "education freedom."
 
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I understand why you felt the need to stretch the data back more than a decade to boost the numbers

The trend is not your friend. But rather than analyze a dataset looking you in the face, you deflect to your activism

Skip college, kiddos
 
Texas per capital income growth in the past decade: 45% (11% below the national average and 24% below California)

Now some of this might be below average Californians moving to Texas. But not all of it.
 
sturg33 said:
I understand why you felt the need to stretch the data back more than a decade to boost the numbers

The trend is not your friend. But rather than analyze a dataset looking you in the face, you deflect to your activism

Skip college, kiddos
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You can look at annual data. California did very well in 2024. But 10 years evens out some of the noise that exists in the annual data. But the Dems have been as you said ruining (or running) California for a long time now. And yet in the past decade they did extremely well compared to say Texas where the GOP has held sway for a very long time.
 
nsacpi said:
Texas per capital income growth in the past decade: 45% (11% below the national average and 24% below California.

Now some of this might be below average Californians moving to Texas. But not all of it.
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I understand your desire to deflect to different data and different time periods. It is all you can do.

When faced with real world data (i.e., Seattle lost a ton of payroll taxes after a dumb policy), all you do is deflect. Option 2. You are the most uncurious academic I've ever seen

Texas is a desert with 100 degree heat on the regular. California should be doing laps around it forever and ever. Instead, they are building apps for the human feces
 
I will let you in on a little secret. High taxes are not always bad policy. They pay for a lot of useful thangs. Most notably a better educational system. So it is not a deflection to respond to a post about Seattle raising taxes by looking at overall economic outcomes. We Marxists don't view taxes as a bad thang at all. We understand they pay for a lot of very useful thangs.

But hey places like Oklahoma and Texas have more "educational freedom." God bless their hearts. Thanks to their low taxes they don't have to pay for thangs like schools. Or sirens that might wake people up in the middle of the night and disturb their sleep.. They can sleep well in their ignorance.
 
nsacpi said:
I will let you in on a little secret. High taxes are not always bad policy. They pay for a lot of useful thangs. Most notably a better educational system. So it is not a deflection to respond to a post about Seattle raising taxes by looking at overall economic outcomes. We Marxists don't view taxes as a bad thang at all. We understand they pay for a lot of very useful thangs.

But hey places like Oklahoma and Texas have more "educational freedom." God bless their hearts. Thanks to their low taxes they don't have to pay for thangs like schools. Or sirens that might wake people up in the middle of the night and disturb their sleep.. They can sleep well in their ignorance.
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So did those high taxes lead to higher tax revenue or not?
 
sturg33 said:
So did those high taxes lead to higher tax revenue or not?
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There is causality in both directions. Highly-educated Marxists have higher incomes and like higher taxes. And those high taxes often fund thangs that improve productivity. They also fund other public goods like public health and sirens to let people know there is danger. If a state underfunds public health it will have a relatively high infant mortality rate. This is not the only cause of a high infant mortality rate but it is a significant contributing factor. Education and productivity can be thought of in the same way. In the case of both public health spending and education the cost-benefit is very favorable. For example for every dollar we spend on Pell Grants tax revenues increase by $3 dollar from the increased income that the Pell Grant recipients earn.
 
nsacpi said:
There is causality in both directions. Highly-educated Marxists have higher incomes and like higher taxes. And those high taxes often fund thangs that improve productivity. They also fund other public goods like public health and sirens to let people know there is danger. If a state underfunds public health it will have a relatively high infant mortality rate. This is not the only cause of a high infant mortality rate but it is a significant contributing factor. Education and productivity can be thought of in the same way. In the case of both public health spending and education the cost-benefit is very favorable. For example for every dollar we spend on Pell Grants tax revenues increase by $3 dollar from the increased income that the Pell Grant recipients earn.
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This is a bizarre answer to a very straight forward question.

Did the socialist tax increase on big corporations result in higher tax revenue for the city, or did it lead to a shortfall with j9bs lost that may be lost forever?

I really am not interested in your deflection. Just use your academic brain to analyze a singular event
 
Data on the JumpStart Revenue Tax passed by Seattle in 2020 are not hard to find.

Revenues from it grew by 23% in 2023 to $311 million as the tech sector stabilized and people returned to the office.

Revenues grew further in 2024 to $360 million.

The city was expecting faster growth in 2024 but it seems to me that's mostly bad forecasting. The growth in 2023 was an unusual one-time thing (exceeding their forecast) and they should have expected that there would be some normalization in 2024.

Anyhow to answer your question the big Marxist tax is raising a lot of money for Seattle. Revenues from it have grown significantly. By more than expected through 2023 and less than expected in 2024.

But hey, there are going to be some folks who will relocate to a low tax state like Texas where they don't have to worry about paying for thangs like loud sirens that might wake people up in the middle of the night.

I don't think Seattle should tailor tax policy to hold on to those folks. Let them go to Texas and enjoy their low taxes and undisturbed sleep.
 
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nsacpi said:
Data on the JumpStart Revenue Tax passed by Seattle in 2020 are not hard to find. This is how much that tax has raised by year:

Revenues from it grew by 23% in 2023 to $311 million as the tech sector stabilized and people returned to the office.

Revenues grew by another 6.5% in 2024 to $360 million.

The city was expecting faster growth in 2024 but it seems to me that's mostly bad forecasting. The growth in 2023 was an unusual one-time thing (exceeding their forecast) and they should have expected that there would be some normalization in 2024.

Anyhow to answer your question the big Marxist tax is raising a lot of money for Seattle. Revenues from it have grown significantly. By more than expected through 2023 and less than expected in 2024.

But hey, there are going to be some folks who will relocate to a low tax state like Texas where they don't have to worry about paying for thangs like loud sirens that might wake people up in the middle of the night.

I don't think Seattle should tailor tax policy to hold on to those folks. Let them go to Texas and enjoy their low taxes and undisturbed sleep.
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The reason you are the best contrarian indicator I've ever witnessed is takes like this

The city budgeted based on historical tax revenue. That shortfall is due to companies shipping jobs off

Put simply, just like your takes on bitcoin and masks tesla, and tyranny, you get literally everything wrong. Businesses adapted to the idiocy and now the city is suffering, just like all the others

And best yet, you want to stand on the graves of dead children while people are trapped in the subway currently being flooded in NYC. Perhaps an illegal criminal can start light8ng people on fire to dry things up

Skip college kiddos. There are few dumber people in this country then nsacpi... including the toothless in WVA who chose not to take 8 covid shots
 
I think what happened in Texas was tragic. Like a high infant mortality rate in a state that underfunds public health, their deaths are partly due to Texas (at the state and local level) being cheap about providing public goods. Those girls died very painful and premature deaths. No one is standing or tap dancing on their graves. Just pointing out an uncomfortable fact. At least I hope you find it uncomfortable.

My preference (lest there be any doubt) is to live in a state that overfunds public goods like education, public health and public safety. Not everyone shares that preference. I'm glad that they have the choice of living someone with lower taxes and low provision of public goods.
 
nsacpi said:
I think what happened in Texas was tragic. Like a high infant mortality rate in a state that underfunds public health, their deaths are partly due to Texas (at the state and local level) being cheap about providing public goods. Those girls died very painful and premature deaths. No one is standing or tap dancing on their graves. Just pointing out an uncomfortable fact. At least I hope you find it uncomfortable.
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yeah texas needs to jack up corporate tax rates to ensure generational flood doesnt kill people

as always... the idiot chooses option 2
 
Took a minute... but when presented with real world data about Seattle chasing away workers with retarded.leftist policy, our academic pivots to kids dying in a flood
 
It's not a pivot. High taxes pay for public goods like education and sirens. Texas and other states have their policy choices. I respect that even while having a different set of preferences. It's great that Seattle gives parents and taxpayers one set of policy menus. And Texas and Kerr County another.

I've spent a lot of time explaining to y'all that low taxes, low educational attainment, low productivity growth and low life expectancy are an intertwined set of policy choices. Sometimes it takes something tragic to help that sink in.
 
nsacpi said:
It's not a pivot. High taxes pay for public goods like education and sirens. Texas and other states have their policy choices. I respect that even while having a different set of preferences.
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Its a pivot.

What actually happened is Seattle drove away tax revenue to other states thanks to their retarded policies.

But congrats your standing on the grave of dead children to push your activism
 
Sometimes a tragic event illustrates a larger reality. Which is that states like Texas are very cheap with public goods. That has consequences, usually illustrated by dry statistics on thangs like infant mortality rates. I have my policy preferences. I've stated them clearly. And y'all have yours. No need to get your panties in a wad.
 
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