Some Red State/Blue State Indicia

sturg33 said:
It feels like our cities should stop electing people who hate the country but that is too tall a task. Too many bachelor degrees and phds for that to happen

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Isn’t Zohram’s dad supposed to be some hot shot professor?

Regardless of where you stand on American guilt with the American Indian, it’s simply not true they invented the idea of “settler colonialism”. There are dozens of examples of indigenous people that were removed for permanent settlement that date back thousands of years even pre-European colonialism. The Greeks did this in the Mediterranean, Romans to the Celts, Arabs in North Africa as part of the Islamic Conquests, Han Dynasty in China, the Mongolians etc etc. “America is the genesis” is laughably wrong.

I don’t even know where to start with the claim that Hitler got the inspiration for differentiated citizenship from the US

Sorry Zohram’s daddy. Turns out history is complicated. c2c doesn’t feel guilty for what people did hundreds of years ago.
 
chop2chip said:
Isn’t Zohram’s dad supposed to be some hot shot professor?

Regardless of where you stand on American guilt with the American Indian, it’s simply not true they invented the idea of “settler colonialism”. There are dozens of examples of indigenous people that were removed for permanent settlement that date back thousands of years even pre-European colonialism. The Greeks did this in the Mediterranean, Romans to the Celts, Arabs in North Africa as part of the Islamic Conquests, Han Dynasty in China, the Mongolians etc etc. “America is the genesis” is laughably wrong.

I don’t even know where to start with the claim that Hitler got the inspiration for differentiated citizenship from the US

Sorry Zohram’s daddy. Turns out history is complicated. c2c doesn’t feel guilty for what people did hundreds of years ago.
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I listened to the clip a couple times. I'm not sure about his claim for settler colonialism being invented in America. By that I take it that he means in the Americas. But in terms of the settler colonialism that spread in the wake of the Age of Discovery, I think there is something to it. While the form varied in some ways in different places, it provided a template for colonialism in Asia and Africa. Although the colonialism in parts of Asia was contemporaneous with events in the Americas. So perhaps it is fairer to say it was reinvented in several places, with the Americas being a place where its early adoption provided a template for other parts of the world.

The part about Hitler is ridiculous. What happened to indigenous people in the Americas is plenty bad, but quite distinct from the Holocaust.
 
nsacpi said:
I listened to the clip a couple times. I'm not sure about his claim for settler colonialism being invented in America. By that I take it that he means in the Americas. But in terms of the settler colonialism that spread in the wake of the Age of Discovery, I think there is something to it. While the form varied in some ways in different places, it provided a template for colonialism in Asia and Africa. Although the colonialism in parts of Asia was contemporaneous with events in the Americas. So perhaps it is fairer to say it was reinvented in several places, with the Americas being a place where its early adoption provided a template for other parts of the world.

The part about Hitler is ridiculous. What happened to indigenous people in the Americas is plenty bad, but quite distinct from the Holocaust.
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The problem with assigning a “genesis” label to something that’s existed for centuries and somewhat core to civilization’s tribal roots is that it’s really easy to spin any sort of thesis.

You could make a similar argument that European colonialism was an adaptation of the Arab imperial model. But what’s the point?
 
chop2chip said:
The problem with assigning a “genesis” label to something that’s existed for centuries and somewhat core to civilization’s tribal roots is that it’s really easy to spin any sort of thesis.

You could make a similar argument that European colonialism was an adaptation of the Arab imperial model. But what’s the point?
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Exactly
 
chop2chip said:
The problem with assigning a “genesis” label to something that’s existed for centuries and somewhat core to civilization’s tribal roots is that it’s really easy to spin any sort of thesis.

You could make a similar argument that European colonialism was an adaptation of the Arab imperial model. But what’s the point?
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yes...there were some innovations but not a genesis in "America"

As someone from a part of the world where the Arab slave trade was predominant and whose ancestry along my maternal line can be traced back to an Indo-Portuguese woman born around 1690 in Surat I am somewhat aware of the contributions made by many ethnic and religious groups to colonialism, slavery, imperialism, etc, etc

Mamdami Senior shows a shocking lack of nuance and balance in his description of events. I have many Indian friends who have a more balanced (and even humorous) take on the English and their evils. High on the positive side of the ledger is cricket (at least to my South Asian and East Indian acquaintances).

To clarify, I mean this kind of cricket.

OIP.MAXhjqj0y3Q-W8JdlUOdqgHaE8
 
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