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How do you figure that?

I hope the reason they’ve kept him down all season is genuinely developmental, and not—as some have argued—because he’s irredeemable. Need to see a lot more outings like these to close 2025, though, and maybe he’s another legitimate option for 2026.

The reason none of the teams want to open their books is because they do, in fact, make money.

I’d like to see them move Johnson as well (plus Iglesias, obviously). Try to get back young, cheap, AA-level guys with reliever stuff.

Have to ignore the 2025 draft to fit this narrative.

I’m not denying the premise, but you’d have to apply the same logical saw to the vaunted Doyers, if you’re going down that route of questioning.

I highly doubt it’s both, and the organization is full of assholes, as the Braves consistently rank highly in player surveys across the league, and I’ve heard from others in the industry that the organization’s reputation with players is generally quite high.

This is where I’m at. Unreasonable to jump ship at this juncture, given precedent of this regime. But the 2025 deadline and 2026 offseason will be a real litmus test for forthcoming faith is the future direction of the organization.

Again, that’s a real accomplishment.

I’m talking about the upper level prospects like Ritchie and Murphy, not the AAAA flotsam. And there’s more reason to think they’ll be good enough beyond “I know their names”—but I’m glad to see you’re keeping up with bad faith arguments despite the Braves’ swoon this season. It’s a moot...

I’m of the opinion that the Braves have enough back-end/mid-rotation pitching depth in the upper minors—plus I’m hoping for a top-end upgrade in FA—that Holmes should be on the table if the return is sufficient (ie, a lot more than a 40 FV lottery chip).

I’m just ready for the first shoe to drop, so we can start over-analyzing new transactions, instead of the misses from the offseason.

I’m not sure he’s even been a Stallworth.

So it’s definitely happening.

I’m ready for the first domino to fall. Let’s get this tank started and start rooting for draft picks and 2026.

I’d keep the deals separate. Seems like the best way to maximize returns.

Fangraphs actually threw a 45 FV on Bergert, and gives Peña a 40 FV (like MLB.com). If that’s the return for Ozuna, I think we should be thrilled—and the team should not stop there, and keep trading.

From MLB.com: Seems like a couple solid relief prospects to hopefully replace the guys the Braves are about to trade off.

Pretty much exactly what I said I’d target:

How I feel like responding to almost all of Matt’s and msstate’s posts these days.