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  1. M

    Global Events & Politics Überthread

    Yeah, and they didn’t even have the common decency to buy into a Trump family business to get away with it for the next three years!
  2. M

    Second ('Third') Trump Presidency Thread

    There’s a key difference between healthy skepticism and adhering to a logical fallacy. Iran would undoubtedly be willing to lie about this, but they’d also shout it from the rooftops if it actually happened. They’re aren’t mythical creatures magically compelled to tell falsehoods. But instead of...
  3. M

    Second ('Third') Trump Presidency Thread

    There are videos, eye witness accounts and photos seeming to corroborate the Iranian government’s account, and the United States to my knowledge has not yet denied the validity of the claim. And yet you’ve decided that the only piece of information you needed was that Iran said it happened and...
  4. M

    Second ('Third') Trump Presidency Thread

    Okay, that’s how you get 1930s Germany? I’m not playing the Nazi card to be dramatic, but blindly trusting your government is right and the country you’re bombing is wrong per se and only a fool could think otherwise is the exact mentality that can lead you to rationalizing basically any...
  5. M

    Second ('Third') Trump Presidency Thread

    Everyone in the venue of course implicitly understood that when Trump said we would not have a war with Iran, he meant “…unless it will weaken China, so we will actually do that next year.”
  6. M

    Second ('Third') Trump Presidency Thread

    Trusting this uncritically is how you become Iran.
  7. M

    Second ('Third') Trump Presidency Thread

    If this becomes a long-term entanglement, this clip might be the only ad the Dems run for the primaries.
  8. M

    Global Events & Politics Überthread

    I feel like you would have adored Stalin if he had the right Economic policies. Actually, given your open embrace of state-intervention in the economy, you might have only needed him to be saying he was saving America.
  9. M

    Second ('Third') Trump Presidency Thread

    But none of that is particularly relevant to the conversation we’re having right now. Even if you believe the most important geopolitical matter facing us right now is weakening China, it does not necessarily follow that the US will only act morally and responsibly and thus any act that might be...
  10. M

    Second ('Third') Trump Presidency Thread

    But surely you must see that you can’t reduce it to something as simple as China Bad, USA Good. You’re fond of reminding the left that institutions will lie to you and what can happen in a place like China, yet you seem very open to trusting the ends will justify the means because the “right”...
  11. M

    Second ('Third') Trump Presidency Thread

    This is my problem in a nutshell. Up until approximately a few months ago, your political movement was one of the strongest voices in anti-interventionism and calling out big government, and that sentiment has contributed to the holding the government accountable. If you show a willingness to...
  12. M

    Second ('Third') Trump Presidency Thread

    Why? What is the incentive of the American government to own up to it if they can rely on their voters to believe them instead of questioning them?
  13. M

    Second ('Third') Trump Presidency Thread

    Additional follow up questions: What is the evidence you’re using to support these beliefs? In the absence of other forms evidence, would you be convinced this was what happened simply because the government told you this is what happened? If so, how would you ever determine if the government...
  14. M

    Second ('Third') Trump Presidency Thread

    What do you personally think happened?
  15. M

    TLHLIM

    For all my criticism of our involvement, the idea that Trump is just some agitator trying to provoke conflict inside Iran is so fucking dumb I can’t even comprehend it. It’s akin to suggesting Antifa is a coordinated foreign terror network being controlled by George Soros. *whistles innocently*
  16. M

    Second ('Third') Trump Presidency Thread

    Again, your rebuttals to this claim thus far have essentially been “actually here’s a photograph showing that Iran did it with this failed missile launch from 800 miles away” and then simply “nuh uh” despite the US refraining from comment thus far so I’m not seeing a compelling argument yet.
  17. M

    Second ('Third') Trump Presidency Thread

    Only took you two weeks to recycle this outage bait:
  18. M

    Second ('Third') Trump Presidency Thread

    As far as I can tell, the claim that a school was blown up by a faulty Iranian missile appears to rest on the misrepresented image of a misfire that was 800 miles away.
  19. M

    Second ('Third') Trump Presidency Thread

    I agree on this, and that was part of my argument that I probably didn’t articulate clearly enough. But I think the assumption of moral superiority and of our influence on how our government acts go hand-in-hand quite a bit. To me, that we have that influence to begin with implies an...
  20. M

    Second ('Third') Trump Presidency Thread

    The answer is somewhere in the middle of all of it. I of course have my own personal moral objections to our involvement in this situation, but that’s a much separate issue from whether or not such action is justified and legal. My criticism here is on the latter issues. While you’re right that...
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