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It sure as hell does. We pay 20%+ if we do business with them. In theory they do as well but they subsidize their industry with rebates while hitting the people exporting to them hard.

People don't understand how Europe uses their VATs to protect their industries and screw those who export there.

We've gone so far left. lol

I've explained it above. It's not a tariff but it works as one.

I actually did make money off the election. Still doesn't change the fact on the BL level of crap that you spewed during the elction.

All I said was give Johnson a chance. Go back and look. He did turn outbad. You didn't say that he would lose Iowa. You did say he was in danger. You really don't want to go tat for tat who was right and wrong on anything. I've been wrong on a few things but your track record is just awful...

This discussion reminds me of how Trump was in danger of losing Iowa. 🤣

To actually reduce their VAT. Keep being uninformed, bud.

I've explained above why we're doing this. If we can get our products into foreign markets at a reasonable price it's worth a trade war. Europe looks to be ready to talk.

I was wondering when this was coming up. Countries that use VATs heavily subsidize their own industries where the businesses don't pay as much therefore little gets to the consumer. Countries that export to their countries pay the full amount. It's a shell game. Yes, VATs are tariffs in...

That's true to a certain extent. Now add VAT along with it.

A level playing field doesn't necessarily mean 0%. If everyone is at 5% that is good as well. I don't have anything written in stone. I don't mind a trade war over this. Other countries have taken advantage of us with our low tariffs while boxing us out of their markets. It's bullshit and it...

Whatever What do you want? Exact percentages? That I can't give you. Europeans and many other countries have higher tariffs than we do. How about a level playing field where we can more easily get our products into their markets? Regardless of what many people say their VATs are also barrier...

Show me where I moved the goalposts. You can't of course. Second time you've pulled this crap on me. Talk about intellectually dishonest.

Once again you're wrong. All countries on earth except 3 use tariffs. The world's economy is just fine. However, these tariffs at this high rate can be harmful. Do you understand that we're using these as of now to get better trade deals? We have countries ready to negotiate with us for...

You mean the investors who are trying to make a buck? I know you think it's all cult members involved but it's not. A least I didn't call anyone a communist like you do. Your toaster comment shows your thought process. Short-sighted ignorance.

Thank you for confirming my beliefs on you guys.

After the shit I heard the last few years about the 2024 election I don't think you guys are. We are already getting negotiations for better trade deals. I will gladly trade short term pain for long term gain.

I hope you're correct for 26. There is some risk in all of this.

All I care about is if Trump's plans end up working. I don't really care what the short-term thinkers opinions are.