Does Frank Wren now jump into the trade market?

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PawPawMaxwell

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We all know that the Braves are not prone to going thru with arbitration. In fact, the last guy they went to court with IIRC was Rocker in 2001 or so.

It would appear at least as of now that Braves are far apart with Kimbrel, Heyward, Minor and Freeman. What are your thoughts on each. What would they bring in return NOW and which teams have needs of these players?

I think to some degree, all of us are kinda prepared for the worse.
 
If we trade one of them we're screwed. Unless they bring more major league return in. You just listed our best pitcher, best reliever, and best position player from last year and Heyward who may have been the best position player if he played all season.

I wouldn't trade a single one of them.
 
How bout this 3 team deal?

Seattle gets:

Craig Kimbrel - CP

Rays get:

Nick Franklin - SS/2B(from Seattle)

Tyler Pike - SP(from Seattle)

Christian Bethancourt - C

J.R. Graham - SP

Braves get:

David Price - SP
 
Rays I don't think do that. I'd do it of course, but I see no way the Rays make that trade. Who knows if Seattle does.
 
zitothebrave said:
If we trade one of them we're screwed. Unless they bring more major league return in. You just listed our best pitcher, best reliever, and best position player from last year and Heyward who may have been the best position player if he played all season.

I wouldn't trade a single one of them.
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Also Minor, Kimbrel, Heyward and Freeman are all cheap if you look at their expected production versus expected salaries in 2014. So if you move one of them, the return is unlikely to produce a better bang for the buck in 2014. I suppose there is the possibility of a deal that would give you more in the future, while giving up major bang for the buck in 2014. But it would be very hard to put together a deal involving trading away one of those four that would improve the team in 2014.
 
Btw the default strategy of letting these guys eventually go to free agency and collecting the draft pick is not a bad one imo. I would prefer to hold on to a couple of the core (Freeman, Heyward, Simmons). But if we can't make a team friendly deal, let em play out the string. Don't trade them unless something good comes along.
 
zitothebrave said:
If we trade one of them we're screwed. Unless they bring more major league return in. You just listed our best pitcher, best reliever, and best position player from last year and Heyward who may have been the best position player if he played all season.

I wouldn't trade a single one of them.
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I bet you were one of those whining after Prado got traded last year under pretty much same circumstances.
 
nsacpi said:
Also Minor, Kimbrel, Heyward and Freeman are all cheap if you look at their expected production versus expected salaries in 2014. So if you move one of them, the return is unlikely to produce a better bang for the buck in 2014. I suppose there is the possibility of a deal that would give you more in the future, while giving up major bang for the buck in 2014. But it would be very hard to put together a deal involving trading away one of those four that would improve the team in 2014.
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But you dont know how much any of them asked for in arbitration. We do know (tho pretty much unconfirmed) that Freeman and Heyward arent interested in extensions.
 
nsacpi said:
Btw the default strategy of letting these guys eventually go to free agency and collecting the draft pick is not a bad one imo. I would prefer to hold on to a couple of the core (Freeman, Heyward, Simmons). But if we can't make a team friendly deal, let em play out the string. Don't trade them unless something good comes along.
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So you really think by getting 3 draft picks is worth the gamble by not trading them for ML roster players?
 
PawPawMaxwell said:
But you dont know how much any of them asked for in arbitration. We do know (tho pretty much unconfirmed) that Freeman and Heyward arent interested in extensions.
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The numbers should be out in a week or two. Usually they are released before the arbitration hearings.
 
PawPawMaxwell said:
So you really think by getting 3 draft picks is worth the gamble by not trading them for ML roster players?
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Maybe maybe not. It all depends on who we get for them.

But I would make the point that their overall value is the draft pick, plus the value of expected production minus expected salary in the years prior to free agency. In general, the expected production of players in their arb years is higher than their salaries. As a rough rule, a player in his first arb year gets paid a third of the market value of his expected production, a player in his second arb year gets paid half his expected value and a player in his third arb year gets paid two-thirds of expected value.
 
No one is getting traded this offseason. It would have happened already. Next off season I expect both Kimbrel and Heyward to be traded.
 
skidlee said:
No one is getting traded this offseason. It would have happened already. Next off season I expect both Kimbrel and Heyward to be traded.
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Would be horrible if that happened.

Johnson will be traded, I'll almost bet on that. Medlen is likely to be traded depending on prospect development.

Honestly assuming we get a boost to payroll that we should. We may keep most of our team in tact. Would be great if we could keep Medlen and Johnson, don't see anyone immediately ready to step in for them. We absolutely have no one who can step in for Jason or Kimbrel.
 
I would not trade Kimbrel for Price. If it were for Chris Sale I'd do it but not for just 2 years of Price.
 
PawPawMaxwell said:
But you dont know how much any of them asked for in arbitration. We do know (tho pretty much unconfirmed) that Freeman and Heyward arent interested in extensions.
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Some of the numbers coming out: Freeman files at 5.75M, Braves at 4.5M. I predict the Braves win this one.
 
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