Fangraphs on MVP Race

Watered down award like the entire season is. Having said that it would be awesome if Freddie won it.
 
Even if the deep statistical measures would give Freeman the award, Tatis, Jr., is the hot pick and I see him getting the award unless he would go 0-for the rest of the season. A lot like Pendleton getting the award in 1991 when he was well down the performance-level chart.
 
Freeman's narrative as the "steady star of a division champ that had to weather countless pitching injuries as well as injuries to 2 of it's young stars", is pretty solid I think.

A 1.000+ OPS week should get the award for Freeman if Tatis continues to struggle.

Award or not, Freeman is an elite hitter, and it's not debatable.
 
50PoundHead said:
Even if the deep statistical measures would give Freeman the award, Tatis, Jr., is the hot pick and I see him getting the award unless he would go 0-for the rest of the season. A lot like Pendleton getting the award in 1991 when he was well down the performance-level chart.
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The thing the Freeman supporters among the writers SHOULD be out there preaching is the fact that King Felix and deGrom won Cy Youngs when there were Pitchers with sexier W-L records.

The only categories where Tatis has outperformed Freeman are HRs and SBs. Wouldn't a vote for Tatis feel like giving one to somebody with more wins even though they were worse in multiple categories than Hernandez or deGrom when they won?
 
clvclv said:
The thing the Freeman supporters among the writers SHOULD be out there preaching is the fact that King Felix and deGrom won Cy Youngs when there were Pitchers with sexier W-L records.

The only categories where Tatis has outperformed Freeman are HRs and SBs. Wouldn't a vote for Tatis feel like giving one to somebody with more wins even though they were worse in multiple categories than Hernandez or deGrom when they won?
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No. As volatile as defensive ratings in a 60 game span can be they should still matter. Tatis Jr plays a great shortstop, possibly the best in baseball, and that has a certain amount of value over an average 1B.
 
thewupk said:
No. As volatile as defensive ratings in a 60 game span can be they should still matter. Tatis Jr plays a great shortstop, possibly the best in baseball, and that has a certain amount of value over an average 1B.
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But Freeman plays for Brave ..so .,..
 
My only point is that writers being writers and with many not attuned (and some downright hostile) to the deeper aspects of statistical analysis, some may go with a romance pick over the statistical favorite as long as they are in the same general performance neighborhood. Padres are a cool story and Tatis is front-and-center in that story like Pendleton was in 1991. As Enscheff says, the hardware is nice and Freeman is deserving, but hardware or not, he's still a great hitter and everyone recognizes that.
 
50PoundHead said:
My only point is that writers being writers and with many not attuned (and some downright hostile) to the deeper aspects of statistical analysis, some may go with a romance pick over the statistical favorite as long as they are in the same general performance neighborhood. Padres are a cool story and Tatis is front-and-center in that story like Pendleton was in 1991. As Enscheff says, the hardware is nice and Freeman is deserving, but hardware or not, he's still a great hitter and everyone recognizes that.
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Although there's truth to that, never ACTUALLY having something to put in the trophy case that SHOWS that has to feel like winning multiple Executive or Manager Of The Year awards with no flags to fly. Pretty hollow feeling I'd imagine. How many "almost MVPs" does anyone remember?

Lots of us that saw Murphy and Andruw play can SAY what great players they were, but when we're gone they'll both be "just another guy" outside of Atlanta unless they get voted into the HOF.
 
Enscheff said:
Freeman's narrative as the "steady star of a division champ that had to weather countless pitching injuries as well as injuries to 2 of it's young stars", is pretty solid I think.

A 1.000+ OPS week should get the award for Freeman if Tatis continues to struggle.

Award or not, Freeman is an elite hitter, and it's not debatable.
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Let's not forget Freeman had Covid really bad. Him winning MVP would be the ultimate feel good story. So he's got that working for him.
 
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