GDT 9/26/13: Phillies (Cloyd) @ Braves (Hale) 7:10 PM

[thethe]

Uggla isn't very comparable to Mac at all. Mainly because Uggla's value was entirely in his bat. Mac has value in his bat, glove, leadership, and more.

McCann with 130 games played is a 4 WAR player.

But we will also have to play Mac more money and generally catchers break down faster than any other position. If we had more money to spend I would absolutely want Mac back. I just don't think it makes sense given the Braves money situation.

 

[Heyward]

On Mac/Meds, tough.

Depends on price, really.

If we could get Meds for 4/48, I'd do it.

For a discount, sure, if he's wanting 5/75 or more, that's too much IMO.

 

[Heyward]

Good teams dont pay for what players have done, they pay for what players will do. Yes McCann has had a fantastic career and I hope he goes on to a HoF career but what he has done is irrelevant to the situation. He is a good hitting catcher no longer an elite hitting catcher. There is no reason to think he will hit better going into his 30's. Now if we could DH 2-3 times a week then his hitting might pick up because of less wear and tear on his body but we cant do that. I think its very possible he has a resurgence in his career DHing part time and moving to a better hitters park but that wouldnt happen with the Braves. I like Brian but he isnt 15 million a year better than Gattis. 15 million I think is conservative.

Add on to that letting McCann go we get a top 40 or so draft pick. Its the best move no two ways around it.

Yep, look at the Cards with Pujols, Rangers with Hamilton, etc.

I know Mac isn't commanding 20 million plus, but still a lot of money.

 

[Dalyn]

Edited to be less gasp-inducing.

 

[zitothebrave]

But we will also have to play Mac more money and generally catchers break down faster than any other position. If we had more money to spend I would absolutely want Mac back. I just don't think it makes sense given the Braves money situation.

I think Mac signs here for around your proposed Medlen offer. Maybe less.

And catchers with similar arcs to Mac generally age acceptably. His number 1 comp according to bref is Lance Parrish who caught regularly and did well until he was 35 or so. Sure he had some bad years in his early 30s also had some really good ones as well.

 

[thethe]

I think Mac signs here for around your proposed Medlen offer. Maybe less.

And catchers with similar arcs to Mac generally age acceptably. His number 1 comp according to bref is Lance Parrish who caught regularly and did well until he was 35 or so. Sure he had some bad years in his early 30s also had some really good ones as well.

I think its a better bet for Medlen to be more valueable over the next four years. You seem to feel otherwise but time will tell who was right.

 

[thewupk]

We pretty much know what Mac is going to be for a few more years. Yes any player can hit the decline suddenly and at catcher it can happen even faster. But Mac WRC+ of 122, 87, 122, 123, and 119 the last 5 years. 2012 being the obvious outlier when his BABIP was 234. That's being pretty damn consistent to me. He's not the player he showed in 06 or 08 (inflated BABIP in those years) and shouldn't be paid like those years either. Mac doesn't qualify because of playing time but he would have the 5th best WRC+ among catchers and has the 3rd most homers. He's still a top catcher in the game. Might not be an all-star every year due to the emergence of Posey but he's still a 4+ win catcher. Those are extremely valuable. This team is young and good but I don't think our window is all that big. We won't be able to keep everybody. Mac makes us a better team right now and we need to take advantage of it.

 

[thethe]

We pretty much know what Mac is going to be for a few more years. Yes any player can hit the decline suddenly and at catcher it can happen even faster. But Mac WRC+ of 122, 87, 122, 123, and 119 the last 5 years. 2012 being the obvious outlier when his BABIP was 234. That's being pretty damn consistent to me. He's not the player he showed in 06 or 08 (inflated BABIP in those years) and shouldn't be paid like those years either. Mac doesn't qualify because of playing time but he would have the 5th best WRC+ among catchers and has the 3rd most homers. He's still a top catcher in the game. Might not be an all-star every year due to the emergence of Posey but he's still a 4+ win catcher. Those are extremely valuable. This team is young and good but I don't think our window is all that big. We won't be able to keep everybody. Mac makes us a better team right now and we need to take advantage of it.

Mac is currently still a good player. Its all about using the limited money wisely. In a perfect world I would take Mac for the rest of his career but I believe that Medlen will be a more important piece to the Braves winning and losing than Mac would be.

 

[Nerfherders]

I just have to say that I was at this game - the first time at Turner field to see my Braves at home, and on my birthday no less. No greater birthday present than a big braves win. And my wife bought me Freddie Freeman jersey to boot. An awesome birthday all around.