Hillary selects Sen. Tim Kaine (VA) as running mate.

Runnin said:
I wanted Booker.
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Don't think her campaign wanted a Clinton-Castro ticket. That sounds not good.

Booker has a long career ahead of him.

Tim Kaine speaks fluent Spanish like Jeb so this is definitely a move towards the Hispanic vote.
 
weren't her other options Senators from states with (R) governors ? Kaine is fluent in conversational Spanish and belongeD to an African Baptist Church for over 30 years.

Plus he has been a Clinton stsy for many a year.

I too would have preferred Booker or Brown from Ohio. But understand this.

My guess is it had Sen Sanders/Warren blessing
 
Hate this. Kaine's even more in the pocket of big-finance than Clinton, and he's been showcasing it hard recently (certainly in a bid for this selection).

Chances that I'll panic and vote Clinton over Stein just went down a little more.
 
Very diverse choice. But he does speak fluent Spanish.
Kaine is a guy that can pluck from Trump's main strength. Middle class, middle-age white guys.
 
bravesnumberone said:
Kaine is a guy that can pluck from Trump's main strength. Middle class, middle-age white guys.
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I don't see a lot of middle-class, middle-aged white guys leaning towards Trump suddenly swinging to Clinton because ermahgerd Tim Kaine.

I've long thought, and still maintain, that Clinton's real battleground is energizing people of color and people to her left, making sure they vote and vote for her. Each group is much larger, and much more persuadable to her personal cause, than people likely to vote for Trump but still genuinely considering Clinton (which I have to think is non-zero but relatively trivial).

Regardless, though, I don't think Kaine is a choice premised on persuading "Trump's main strength" away from voting Trump. It's a pick about persuading very wealthy Wall Streeters and big regional banking financiers that, as opposed to staying outside the fray, they should support Clinton—both with votes and (much more importantly) with cash—because her administration will be friendly to their ilk.

And, to wit, Kaine is very friendly to that ilk, and also not exactly a friend to labor.
 
jpx7 said:
I don't see a lot of middle-class, middle-aged white guys leaning towards Trump suddenly swinging to Clinton because ermahgerd Tim Kaine.

I've long thought, and still maintain, that Clinton's real battleground is energizing people of color and people to her left, making sure they vote and vote for her. Each group is much larger, and much more persuadable to her personal cause, than people likely to vote for Trump but still genuinely considering Clinton (which I have to think is non-zero but relatively trivial).

Regardless, though, I don't think Kaine is a choice premised on persuading "Trump's main strength" away from voting Trump. It's a pick about persuading very wealthy Wall Streeters and big regional banking financiers that, as opposed to staying outside the fray, they should support Clinton—both with votes and (much more importantly) with cash—because her administration will be friendly to their ilk.

And, to wit, Kaine is very friendly to that ilk, and also not exactly a friend to labor.
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I may have Kaine confused with some other middle aged white senator. I thought he was pretty much a fair trade, populist dude.
 
Obama will deliver the black vote to Hillary but it won't be as big of a turnout as it was for him.

Kaine really has no pluses other than he's from a swing state and he speaks fluent Spanish.

Clinton is losing points in the polls. She may choke this worse than Kerry.

I wonder what MikeAdams would say here about Trumphenomenon.
 
Forever Fredi said:
Obama will deliver the black vote to Hillary but it won't be as big of a turnout as it was for him.

Kaine really has no pluses other than he's from a swing state and he speaks fluent Spanish.

Clinton is losing points in the polls. She may choke this worse than Kerry.

I wonder what MikeAdams would say here about Trumphenomenon.
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Still, Trump needs a good 10 percent of the black vote and more than 30 percent of the Hispanic vote and he's nowhere close. He's not really popular among independents, and I don't think all the evangelicals who sat on their asses last time with Romney are gonna come running out the house to vote Trump. He could win Florida, Ohio and Pennsylvania, keep Romney's states and flip the map, but I just can't see him doing at this point. Oh and he pissed off Kasich so good luck getting people to beat the doors for you in Ohio. If Clinton loses, it may be the worst choke job ever.
 
bravesnumberone said:
I may have Kaine confused with some other middle aged white senator. I thought he was pretty much a fair trade, populist dude.
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Not really. He's done a lot for minority protections in his state, but he's a huge shill for the banking industry, he's long operated as a defender of right-to-work laws (ie essentially anti-labor), and he was a significant proponent of the free-trade TPP (which, regardless of any of our personal stances on that agreement, is very much against "populist" sentiment).
 
Forever Fredi said:
Obama will deliver the black vote to Hillary but it won't be as big of a turnout as it was for him.

Kaine really has no pluses other than he's from a swing state and he speaks fluent Spanish.

Clinton is losing points in the polls. She may choke this worse than Kerry.

I wonder what MikeAdams would say here about Trumphenomenon.
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Trump and his demeanor will absolutely destroy Hillary in the debates.
 
Krgrecw said:
Trump and his demeanor will absolutely destroy Hillary in the debates.
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Not really.

He has yet to debate 1 on 1. When it came down to He-Cruz-Rubio-Kasich, he really just let Cruz and Rubio whom were fighting for 2nd go at each other, Kasich talk in the background, etc. Then they both tried to come after him and he just kept insulting them back down.

And the true test will be if the independents view Trump's bullying and loudmouthing in a 1 on 1 setting to be overkill.

Also, things may get even more interesting if Gary Johnson is allowed into the debates. He's at 13% now, only needs 15% to get into the debates.

If Johnson gets into the debates, his demeanor may "Trump" Donald's bullying. Since Johnson is more likely to get conservative votes, he could pick away from Trump's numbers easily.
 
Forever Fredi said:
Not really.

He has yet to debate 1 on 1. When it came down to He-Cruz-Rubio-Kasich, he really just let Cruz and Rubio whom were fighting for 2nd go at each other, Kasich talk in the background, etc. Then they both tried to come after him and he just kept insulting them back down.

And the true test will be if the independents view Trump's bullying and loudmouthing in a 1 on 1 setting to be overkill.

Also, things may get even more interesting if Gary Johnson is allowed into the debates. He's at 13% now, only needs 15% to get into the debates.

If Johnson gets into the debates, his demeanor may "Trump" Donald's bullying. Since Johnson is more likely to get conservative votes, he could pick away from Trump's numbers easily.
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Maybe Trump has been conning us, and he's secretly a master at debating and has been saving it just for Hillary. I'd be thrilled if Johnson makes it on the stage, but they would probably put him way on the end of the stage, away from the other two and out of the camera. Maybe he cam get pointers from the second-tier Republicans about how to get in on the conversation.
 
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