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I hate foreign prating fools like this. Server in ENgland makes a median of around 6 pounds an hour, which is basically minimum wage, their tips push them up to about 8 punds an hour a bit above minimum wage. In the US a waiter's median income is 5 an hour. It's thrown off by event/banquet waiters who're paid hourly but most restaurants pay less than that. I know at places I've worked servers make about 3 an hour. So if you don't tip them they're working for minimum wage and the restaurant loses money because they have to pay them and you're ****ed.

I haven't been to england, I'd venture your food costs are much higher though as restaurants factor in you tipping your server well enough for them to make at least minimum wage in their food costs. If they were to pay them minimum wage and not expect tips, then your food costs would go way up.
 
zitothebrave said:
I hate foreign prating fools like this. Server in ENgland makes a median of around 6 pounds an hour, which is basically minimum wage, their tips push them up to about 8 punds an hour a bit above minimum wage. In the US a waiter's median income is 5 an hour. It's thrown off by event/banquet waiters who're paid hourly but most restaurants pay less than that. I know at places I've worked servers make about 3 an hour. So if you don't tip them they're working for minimum wage and the restaurant loses money because they have to pay them and you're ****ed.

I haven't been to england, I'd venture your food costs are much higher though as restaurants factor in you tipping your server well enough for them to make at least minimum wage in their food costs. If they were to pay them minimum wage and not expect tips, then your food costs would go way up.
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Wait... you mean to tell me that rising cost of labor would affect the cost of goods - thus, affecting everyone?
 
sturg33 said:
Jut glad you're not one of the Bernie "supply and demand law doesn't exist" crowd
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We should have a minimum wage, and it should increase as well. But there will be downsides to it in costs. There has to be a balance between minimum wage and inflation that I'm not remotely smart enough to grasp that balance but I've read reports that talk about it.
 
zitothebrave said:
We should have a minimum wage, and it should increase as well. But there will be downsides to it in costs. There has to be a balance between minimum wage and inflation that I'm not remotely smart enough to grasp that balance but I've read reports that talk about it.
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Minimum wage is an anti-liberty proposition that should be done away with. But that is for a different thread.

Tipping is a bit ridiculous in this country. I too tip all the time - simply out of fear of being ostracized. But it's very subjective. The video is right - why is my problem the restaurants don't pay their servers enough?
 
sturg33 said:
Minimum wage is an anti-liberty proposition that should be done away with. But that is for a different thread.

Tipping is a bit ridiculous in this country. I too tip all the time - simply out of fear of being ostracized. But it's very subjective. The video is right - why is my problem the restaurants don't pay their servers enough?
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It's not really your problem. It's the standard we as a society adopted. SOme restaurants are doing away with tipping and raising prices but they're finding no advantage even with the publicity.

Why can you haggle on a car or house but not on a TV?
 
zitothebrave said:
It's not really your problem. It's the standard we as a society adopted. SOme restaurants are doing away with tipping and raising prices but they're finding no advantage even with the publicity.

Why can you haggle on a car or house but not on a TV?
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HHGregg allows haggling and Circuit City before it closed used to as well.
 
zitothebrave said:
It's not really your problem. It's the standard we as a society adopted. SOme restaurants are doing away with tipping and raising prices but they're finding no advantage even with the publicity.

Why can you haggle on a car or house but not on a TV?
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Well that's up to the business, the OEM, and the business model.

Walmart doesn't want customers haggling because they are meant for quick transactions - in and out.

OEM also have contracts with retailers that say they cannot sell a product under a certain price. When it comes to electronics, the retailers generally go to the lowest possible price because the space is so competitive.

Finally - I have haggled the price on a computer in Best Buy before... It's not like it's illegal. It's just up to the store if they're willing to engage in it. Most stores aren't ebcause the pricing is based on a profit model.

You can certainly haggle online... checkout PriceWiser
 
You cannot haggle Apple products though.

I believe Apple prohibits any discounts not authorized by them. Son during black Friday stores will offer store gift cards as a form of discount.
 
The Don said:
You cannot haggle Apple products though.

I believe Apple prohibits any discounts not authorized by them. Son during black Friday stores will offer store gift cards as a form of discount.
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Right - but it's not like it's illegal... it's just the OEM not allowing it.

Zito's point was dumb
 
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