Great to see Jace have a good night last night and I love him as much as everybody else does, but it's getting close to the time that I think we may see him sent down to get some reps at 3B and in CF. Another 2-3 good weeks from Peraza and we no longer need to worry about him gaining Super Two status. He's not likely going to be called up to be part of a "soft platoon" with anybody - when they think he's ready to leadoff or hit in the #2 spot in the lineup every night, he's going to be out there and Callaspo will be platooning with Johnson. Calling Peraza up would seem like the perfect time to send Jace down and have him play CF in Gwinnett IMO since we've still got EY to platoon with Maybin in CF. If Jace can play passable defense in center and gets his bat hot again, you'd then be in position to cut ties with EY and/or Callaspo around the All-Star break and have more ABs for Peterson in the second half (while also getting everyone more consistent playing time). It would also get us much closer to having a balanced lineup when you would have legitimate platoon options (with speed) all over the place and several options to leadoff so you could move Markakis around in the lineup to balance things better.
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Peraza is a baby. He needs at least a full year of AAA before we can tell he is ready. Like nsacpi said, there is absolutely no reason to bring up Peraza in a losing season and you could argue even next year early as well.
Jace should be playing everyday at second base. End of discussion.
Jace should be playing everyday at second base. End of discussion.
Seriously? Now THAT sounds like some of your Gattis posts last year. You (of all people) should know that they're going to play several of the kids on the big club to see what they've got before the year is out, and they were dead serious about giving Peraza the shot to win the everyday job before he got off to a bad start during camp. Again I really like Peterson, but he's simply not going to be considered the long-term everyday guy at 2B unless they trade Peraza. He's a stopgap, and needs to play more at the other positions because he'll make one *ell of a super-utility guy if he could handle CF as well as EY has. If there was any thought of Jace getting the job, we'd have seen Peraza getting reps in CF (like they said was going to happen when he was sent down) already instead of playing 2B every day.
Why in the world would you bring up Peraza if you're already planning on throwing away this year and plan to flip guys like Grilli at the deadline anyways?
We're not even a month into the season and it's "time" to send him down?!? He hasn't even had a months worth of playing time when you factor in the fact he's been on the short end of the Callaspo platoon.
I sense that the front office is going to get rid of Fredi, and Fredi knows this and is trying to manage to win (however you disagree with his managing I don't care) now to try and keep his job instead of playing the young kids to give them valuable experience and growing pains now. Otherwise if this were the 1990 mindset you just play the kids and let them figure it out on the field not in the minors.
We're not even a month into the season and it's "time" to send him down?!? He hasn't even had a months worth of playing time when you factor in the fact he's been on the short end of the Callaspo platoon.
I sense that the front office is going to get rid of Fredi, and Fredi knows this and is trying to manage to win (however you disagree with his managing I don't care) now to try and keep his job instead of playing the young kids to give them valuable experience and growing pains now. Otherwise if this were the 1990 mindset you just play the kids and let them figure it out on the field not in the minors.
I've mentioned this before. Its not a good mix and he should just be let go. The fact that Peterson isn't playing everyday is the mark of a man who doesn't have a long term view and in our position the organizatio nshould be unified in that long term view.
He's not suggesting sending Jace down because of his performance, he's saying that Peraza is an inevitability at 2B and that the team needs to get Jace reps at other positions of need where he might be of use (3B/CF) in a future where Peraza is the everday 2B.
Even still, Peraza should not be called up this year. Peterson will have more value at second base either way. I think an athlete like him could learn how to play LF and CF in the offseason.
Assuming he continues to perform at the levels he has so far on the young MiLB season, there's really no reason why Peraza shouldn't be eventually called up excepting service time.
yeezus
It's OVER 5,000!
Right, but you can't just throw that out. It's extremely important.
And he's still just 21 without a full season in the high-minors. Keeping him down all year could easily be justified.
Peraza didn't even have half a season at AA IIRC. He should play the full year at AAA and learn how to hit the junk that the AAAA pitchers throw.
dak
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I agree that this should be the default plan. If he is looking great later this Summer and we're in contention, I'd consider bringing him up. I think it's unlikely that both of those things will be true though.
Not really, especially if it comes at the cost of player development. Anyways, there's a good chance those service time rules are changed during the next CBA negotiations (2016).
You don't need an entire season at AAA to figure out junk-ballers.
Not everyone does but I think its risky to rush a prospect just because they are producing. Even players who are performing well need time to hone their craft. Mike Trout had 500 AB's in AA or higher. I think we can let Peraza get to around 700-900 before he is called up. Not like he is tearing the cover off the ball right now as is. Plus, his improved walk rate is promising but he needs to further increase that rate to become a potential big impact player.
Nobody has advocated calling him up if he hasn't produced for a prolonged, comfortably measurable sample -- certainly not now.
50PoundHead
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I'm one of the few who doesn't have a complaint about how Fredi has used Peterson to this juncture. I think Fredi's trying to put him in situations where he has a better chance of success. I suspect Peterson's role will increase as the season wears on. The question that comes up is how does he fit in to future plans, but that doesn't have to be answered right now. He needs to grow as a player and hopefully that will happen.
Count me among those who believe Peraza should stay in Gwinnett unless it becomes absolutely certain that he's ready. With low expectations, we have the luxury of making certain guys are ready and don't have to learn to play at the big league level and we should use that to our advantage.
Count me among those who believe Peraza should stay in Gwinnett unless it becomes absolutely certain that he's ready. With low expectations, we have the luxury of making certain guys are ready and don't have to learn to play at the big league level and we should use that to our advantage.
Exactly.
I agree (to a point) with those who complain that he's not getting more ABs, BUT he hasn't been putting up competitive ABs when he's had opportunities before last night. It's a Catch-22 for both Jace and Fredi - Callaspo has certainly been the better hitter to this point, but it's asking an awful lot of a young player to be able to put forth productive ABs if he's not getting regular playing time. However I do think Peraza is an inevitability, and likely at some point THIS season rather than next - there's not a whole lot left for him to prove against lesser competition and (as Heywood mentioned) if you're going to experience growing pains with them both, you're likely better off doing it with the one you feel is "the answer" rather than the one you hope to turn into a utility guy in the long run. Neither one of these guys is a "sure thing" but Peraza's closer to that than Jace is, so they're going to hand him the job at some point and see if he can handle it.
Like I said, Jace is the one who will benefit most by getting regular ABs while getting reps at other positions while he gets comfortable handling them all defensively. Then you're in a position to play him all over the place when the front office decides to cut bait with the veterans and commit to the younger guys - especially EY and Callaspo if you happen to be able to get something for them. During the second half he could play 3B against tough lefties as we try to build Johnson's trade value and platoon with Maybin (and even Gomes) while giving Peraza the occasional blow as well, meaning he'd actually get more ABs (and have a better chance to be productive) regardless of where he's playing when he gets them.
When he's able to play all over the place without it impacting his bat I'd imagine we'll also see Gosselin DFA'd, opening up another roster spot.