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What kind of contract will he get coming off a bad year and now injury? Will we attempt to sign him?
 
By sign him are you asking if we will offer arbitration? Cause he has two years of control left before he's a FA. I don't see why not really, can always try and flip him if he comes back healthy. Much depends on what we do this offseason. If they wind up trading Wood or Julio for a bat I could see them bringing back Minor.
 
My guess is that he's never going to pitch for the Braves again. Thanks God for that too. He's a marginal starter and doesn't know how to wear a hat.
 
There's a good chance he'll be non tendered. They could try to bring him back on a lesser deal. Maybe something incentive laden.

Shoulder problems are hard to recover from though. I'd be surprised if he ever fully comes back.
 
I feel like retaining Minor, even if he actually gets a small bump in arbitration, is a no-brainer. Although there is no clear spot for him in the 2016 rotation as it currently stands there's still a lot of value in his team control and potential.
 
Minor getting a bump in arbitration after not playing a whole season. lol if that happens.
 
Either Braves management presented an awfully weak case at the arbitration hearing or Minor's agent had incriminating photos.
 
Hawk said:
I feel like retaining Minor, even if he actually gets a small bump in arbitration, is a no-brainer. Although there is no clear spot for him in the 2016 rotation as it currently stands there's still a lot of value in his team control and potential.
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What argument would he have in an arbitration hearing?
 
IslandBrave said:
What argument would he have in an arbitration hearing?
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No clue, but IIRC there is considerable precedent for players receiving raises despite injury. Arbitration actually has less to do with player performance and more to do with average salary for comparable players and similar measures in that same vein.
 
Hawk said:
No clue, but IIRC there is considerable precedent for players receiving raises despite injury. Arbitration actually has less to do with player performance and more to do with average salary for comparable players and similar measures in that same vein.
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Yup. And it's all about the what the market value of that player is. The general guideline is that your standard 3 years of arby you get 40/60/80 percent of what you would of gotten on the open market.

So yes some people get upset when players have bad seasons or miss a year due to injury and get a 'raise'. When in reality it's not a raise. They have been underpaid the whole time. Said player would generally get more if they were a FA.
 
Hawk said:
I feel like retaining Minor, even if he actually gets a small bump in arbitration, is a no-brainer. Although there is no clear spot for him in the 2016 rotation as it currently stands there's still a lot of value in his team control and potential.
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The problem I personally have when thinking that is that you'd have applied the same philosophy to Medlen and Beachy (who are also pretty much untradeable by the time they get back to anything resembling their former selves - IF that's even possible). To me, the same thing applies to Minor - paying him $6 million plus to continue rehabbing next year is nuts. Our system is now loaded with inexpensive rotation options - spending that kind of money on someone who you don't need is extremely counterproductive.

Yes, you gamble that he somehow comes back healthy and becomes a mid-rotation starter by 2017, but that's a huge pile of money that can be spent elsewhere.
 
Shoulder surgery isn't the same as elbow surgery. TJ is much more successful and not all TJ victims regain their former stuff.

In all likelihood, Minor will see a marked reduction in pure stuff and he's not a guy that can afford to lose much.

IIRC, Minor is supposed to be able to pitch some after the season so we should get to see what he looks like before making a decision. Unless he's looking spectacular, you don't offer him arb.

If the Braves don't offer him arb he's going to make a fraction of his arb salary as a free agent. Offering him arb is not a no brainer. Non tendering him is closer to a no brainier.

I have no problem bringing him back on a one year deal but it should have an extremely low base salary with lots of incentives.
 
striker42 said:
Shoulder surgery isn't the same as elbow surgery. TJ is much more successful and not all TJ victims regain their former stuff.

In all likelihood, Minor will see a marked reduction in pure stuff and he's not a guy that can afford to lose much.

IIRC, Minor is supposed to be able to pitch some after the season so we should get to see what he looks like before making a decision. Unless he's looking spectacular, you don't offer him arb.

If the Braves don't offer him arb he's going to make a fraction of his arb salary as a free agent. Offering him arb is not a no brainer. Non tendering him is closer to a no brainier.

I have no problem bringing him back on a one year deal but it should have an extremely low base salary with lots of incentives.
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Don't forget that the damage was only to Minor's labrum, not rotator cuff. That's fairly significant. He's also a lefty and it's much easier to survive on diminished stuff if you throw with your left-hand. Plus, anyways, the technology involved in shoulder surgeries has advanced greatly in the past ~3-5 years. This isn't 2007.

Michael Pineda seems to have made it back just fine.

If the Braves non-tender Minor he's gone, and some team will offer him what he would've received in arbitration. I wouldn't cry, it's just the most likely outcome.

clvclv, I take your point RE: Medlen/Beachy, but I think the fact that both of those players received ~$8MM and ~$3MM guaranteed respectively (not including incentives) from other organizations despite not having pitched in two years due to two (2) TJs speaks volumes about how teams value injured arms. Frankly, I'd rather waste $6MM on the chance that Minor bounces back to form rather than spend it on a veteran stopgap type. Now, if we're talking about $6MM that would go to David Price instead -- well, you know my stance on that there.
 
Hawk said:
Don't forget that the damage was only to Minor's labrum, not rotator cuff. That's fairly significant. He's also a lefty and it's much easier to survive on diminished stuff if you throw with your left-hand. Plus, anyways, the technology involved in shoulder surgeries has advanced greatly in the past ~3-5 years. This isn't 2007.

Michael Pineda seems to have made it back just fine.

If the Braves non-tender Minor he's gone, and some team will offer him what he would've received in arbitration. I wouldn't cry, it's just the most likely outcome.

clvclv, I take your point RE: Medlen/Beachy, but I think the fact that both of those players received ~$8MM and ~$3MM guaranteed respectively (not including incentives) from other organizations despite not having pitched in two years due to two (2) TJs speaks volumes about how teams value injured arms. Frankly, I'd rather waste $6MM on the chance that Minor bounces back to form rather than spend it on a veteran stopgap type. Now, if we're talking about $6MM that would go to David Price instead -- well, you know my stance on that there.
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The Braves also made Medlen a pretty solid offer themselves but he turned them down before signing in KC.
 
Hawk said:
Don't forget that the damage was only to Minor's labrum, not rotator cuff. That's fairly significant. He's also a lefty and it's much easier to survive on diminished stuff if you throw with your left-hand. Plus, anyways, the technology involved in shoulder surgeries has advanced greatly in the past ~3-5 years. This isn't 2007.

Michael Pineda seems to have made it back just fine.

If the Braves non-tender Minor he's gone, and some team will offer him what he would've received in arbitration. I wouldn't cry, it's just the most likely outcome.

clvclv, I take your point RE: Medlen/Beachy, but I think the fact that both of those players received ~$8MM and ~$3MM guaranteed respectively (not including incentives) from other organizations despite not having pitched in two years due to two (2) TJs speaks volumes about how teams value injured arms. Frankly, I'd rather waste $6MM on the chance that Minor bounces back to form rather than spend it on a veteran stopgap type. Now, if we're talking about $6MM that would go to David Price instead -- well, you know my stance on that there.
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I think that's the main point - contrary to the belief of some, I'm completely convinced that the front office is "going shopping" this winter and is going to sign at least one big-ticket guy. Will it be Price (or one of the other "Aces"), Upton, Cespedes, or a monster trade where we add a significant piece or pieces? Your guess is as good as mine or anyone else's. I just think the $6+ million you'd have to spend to gamble on Minor becoming a trade chip just gets in the way of the flexibility they currently have. When I look at my personal depth chart, I just don't see where a "healthy" Minor fits, so EVERYBODY would know we were planning to trade him all along - substantially weakening Hart's bargaining position and his leverage.

Miller
Wood
Teheran
Wisler
Banuelos
Fried
Allard
Minor
Foltynewicz
Perez
Sims

Although Fried and Sims won't be ready next year, they're still ahead of him in my rankings.
 
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