School Discipline

AerchAngel

AerchAngel

<B>Secretary of Statistics</B>
And I thought my mom was pulling my leg on how bad kids have become in school.



The comment section alone is worth the reading. This is exactly how my mom describe the classrooms of today. This crap never happened when I went through the school system.

We terrorized subs and maybe 50% of them did not return after lunch, we got the principal instead and he punished us severely. But as kids it was fun to terrorize subs and deal with the punishment (no recess, write a few pages of the Dictionary that he would assign for the rest of the class day and if you do not understand 25 of the words you wrote, forget about recess the next day as well, as you will be studying the words you have gotten wrong.

My mom refuse to sub as a retiree as she wants protection and allow to do what she did as a teacher. The board said no because her methods of being a drill sergeant would her the kids psyche and I laugh when she gives them the line "You reap what you sow and what you sow won't look pretty". Hell she gets on my wife because she doesn't discipline the kids, I do. I do not let them run over me because if you let them at 7 years old they will be a terror as a teenager. My boy refuse to eat a banana I just unpeeled and I said fine, go sit on the couch, do not get your iPad, do not turn on the TV, do not move. Every minute "Dad, can I watch TV, Dad can I play with my iPad, Dad, can I go outside. Everytime I said, no you sit until you decided to eat the banana. After 30 minutes, he knew he won't win because dad never gives in. The wife, after the second time, she gives in.

That is the lack of respect the kids have for her and I see this with most of the parents I have dealt with. The kids can practically do what they want. Black kids still get a backhand, a swat on the butt, a shiner on the head, flip the finger upside the head. I see it here in the stores. I see white parents just stare at them and I just laugh. I remember getting a backhand for taking something off the shelf and proceeded to eat it and my mom knocked me into next week then she told the white lady that said something to her butt out or you are next.

My mom is awesome and the principal begged her to stave off retirement and now the school is ran over by students because to them my mom (The wicked witch is dead) comes to their mind. A reputation of taking no crap from them or their parents.

My mom didn't want to retire but when they started to install weapons prevention materials (detectors, dogs, cameras, campus police) that was her cue to retire because of threats from students who wanted to get back her for taken their bullyhood away. She loved terrorizing bullies, it made her day.
 
You and I have had this discussion many times. Your mom as definitely NOT pulling your leg, in fact she probably just wasn't wanting to worry you by telling you the whole truth. Public schools as a whole really are "that bad", although that's an "overall average" reflection IMO. Some aren't all that bad, some are worse, etc., like any "average" would be and like in any other clusterpfark situation there isn't any one cause, there are many.

Kids: They think they can do what they want and avoid doing what they don't want and sadly they are closer to correct than you might think much of the time. After all if they can boss their parents around how much more can they boss around teachers, which of course is the point.

Parents: WTF!!! Now to be fair when your kids tell you something is wrong at school with a teacher, coach, etc., you have to listen because sometimes they're right, we all know about the coach at Penn State and plenty of other abusive (physically, emotionally, sexually, etc.,) teachers are out there, but if you treat all teachers like they're probably guilty of stuff and keep them feeling like they're only 1/64" away from being fired and not being able to support themselves and their families they WILL for the most part do what they're told, which of course is the point. This really is a difficult call though, you should stand by your kids when they're right and being mistreated or railroaded but you should back the teacher when the teacher is right, they tough part is knowing which is which.

Teachers: When I was teaching in the public schools 17 year ago---23 years ago, it was already getting bad, but it wasn't about violence so much back then, it was about talking when you felt like it, ignoring the teacher when you felt like it, going to class or not or being late if you felt like it. It was much more about what I would call passive anarchy back then as opposed to full on anarchy like it is in many cases now. Face it, when the teacher has no real power to punish a kid why should be kid be afraid of him/her? I have had kids who I sent to the principal' s office laughing on their way back down the hall after he threatened them with some punishment they didn't take seriously and one time he came out of his office and heard them and threatened them even more if they didn't stop and straighten up. Their response? They laughed even harder and louder. His response? He pretended not to notice. His final evaluation of the situation? He decided I had a discipline problem, not him. I also got written up that year for having too many students on the failing list, not 100 too many, just one and it was because of the one I put down as failing that caused the problem, his momma saw that he was on the list and called up the superintendent and told him she didn't want him on that list and he'd better get that teacher in line so he did. And that woman was a custodian at that school and had always acted like she was a friend. The next time people talk about how great local control is remember that story.

On the other side of that argument while I was teaching in the public schools I saw countless good teachers leaving to go to other jobs because of the pay and the environment they were teaching in. When I got my chance I did the same. That was in September of 1999.

Administrators: Other than the worthless parents I'd put these aholes at the top of the list. Despite what you may hear most teachers don't make that much money, the only way to "clean up" in the public school game is to be an administrator and usually just in life the ones who do most of the real dirty work, like your mom I'd expect, don't get the big money, it's the high level seriously political administrator types who can kiss the parents arses so well that their lips don't even touch skin when they do it, those are the ones who clean up monetarily. I posted that URL here about a month or so ago about how much superintendents in OK make, how many of you guys actually looked at it?

The real answer for this is the same thing as in the violence/cops problems in certain cities and neighborhoods in this country. Everybody needs to come together see the problems for what they really are, work together to find and implement real solutions and then work together to make things start working again. But it's not gonna happen, those benefiting from the current effed up system stand to lose the most so they'll make sure nothing changes, except for things to get worse.

It's just like on Facebook and in here, you see the Black Lives Matter stuff, the I Support ALL LEOs stuff, and so on. I believe black lives matter, so do cops' lives, so do victims lives, and so on. But you see these all or nothing memes and organizations make people feel all warm and fuzzy for supporting one group of another rather than judging and punishing bad people, whether they wear a uniform or a hoodie or regardless of their profession or age or color or political party.

REAL solutions are hard, hiding behind an ideology/meme is easy.
 
57Brave said:
you sure that is the way you want to say that ?
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He is a fellow teacher and understand the crap she had to endure (if it weren't the daily threats she would taught a little longer) of course she would. The BOE was terrified of her, the students were scared to death because you thought Sgt Emery was mean in Full Metal Jacket, he doesn't have schit on her.
 
"Public schools as a whole really are "that bad""

Yep and in Germany as well. My ex begged me to pay for my eldest private school. My kids now are in private school. My neighbor kids were taking out of public school and went to private school. They are saying the brick and mortar schools are becoming worse. We never seen anything like this back in the early 70's til now. Seeing my fellow colleagues I graduate with on FB talking about their kids makes me sad. The same thing, uncontrollable, have no care, disrespectful knowing there is not a damn thing a parent can do about it without going to jail or have CPS on you. My colleague at work sister works for CPS and the stories I hear from her, would fill up this board. I can't believe how bad parents can be.

Have baby boomers struck out at being parents or society changed and we are bringing up an anarchistic society who allow kids to basically run over their parents?
 
AerchAngel said:
He is a fellow teacher and understand the crap she had to endure (if it weren't the daily threats she would taught a little longer) of course she would. The BOE was terrified of her, the students were scared to death because you thought Sgt Emery was mean in Full Metal Jacket, he doesn't have schit on her.
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never mind
 
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