Sickels top 175

“Wentz and Wilson are a rare type: Braves pitching prospects who may actually be under-rated.”
 
Grade A
Acuna 1

Grade A-/A
Gohara 12 COMMENT: I think I like Gohara better than other analysts.

Grade B+/A-
Wright 30
Soroka 31

Grade B+
Allard 49
Fried 62
Anderson 66

Grade B+/B
Riley 74
Wentz 78 COMMENT: Wentz and Wilson are a rare type: Braves pitching prospects who may actually be under-rated.
Wilson 79

Grade B
Touki 135 COMMENT: Who knows with Touki?
Pache 162 COMMENT: Pache is all projection guess.
 
He's the highest on Gohara (12). Has him ranked well above Wright (30) and Soroka (31). Still has Allard in his top-50.
 
thewupk said:
Seems to be a superfail by the Phillies. That's good news for us as they seem to be entering their contention phase shortly after we are.
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Yeah, as much as we lament missing out on Senzel (deservedly so), he's a perfect fit for Philly right now, and they passed on him for Moniak.
 
Super said:
He's the highest on Gohara (12). Has him ranked well above Wright (30) and Soroka (31). Still has Allard in his top-50.
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Meanwhile, he seems to be not buying the Pache helium as much (despite still throwing him the late mention).
 
bravesfanMatt said:
Didn’t see Maitan. How could he fall that far.
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A real indictment of the previous FO, as has been mentioned, that they broke the bank and so many rules on what looks, at least at the moment, on a lot of scouting misses. Worse, still, that it will somewhat hamstring the current regime for a few years.
 
jpx7 said:
A real indictment of the previous FO, as has been mentioned, that they broke the bank and so many rules on what looks, at least at the moment, on a lot of scouting misses. Worse, still, that it will somewhat hamstring the current regime for a few years.
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venality and incompetence...a deadly combination...where else have I seen it
 
jpx7 said:
A real indictment of the previous FO, as has been mentioned, that they broke the bank and so many rules on what looks, at least at the moment, on a lot of scouting misses. Worse, still, that it will somewhat hamstring the current regime for a few years.
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He was mentioned by more than the Braves as being generational. The hype was from many scouts.
 
jpx7 said:
A real indictment of the previous FO, as has been mentioned, that they broke the bank and so many rules on what looks, at least at the moment, on a lot of scouting misses. Worse, still, that it will somewhat hamstring the current regime for a few years.
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I mean it's not like they were the only ones high on these guys, and especially not Maitan. Everyone thought he was a stud.
Sickels also has weird lists. I think both Moniak and Maitan are probably in the top 175 of prospects.
 
Some Ian Anderson notes from a prospects writer watching him today: #braves Ian Anderson, 3/15: FB 91-95 (93) w/ lively ride elevated and late tail when spotted low. Worked on CH 83-5 more than CB 75-9 first time through, showing some good cambios w/ arm-speed and late fade. CB was the usual hard, sharp breaker.

Here's a video he posted of Anderson facing a few hitters: https://twitter.com/wa_mcinturff/status/974332913469845505
 
bravesfanMatt said:
He was mentioned by more than the Braves as being generational. The hype was from many scouts.
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Super said:
I mean it's not like they were the only ones high on these guys, and especially not Maitan. Everyone thought he was a stud.
Sickels also has weird lists. I think both Moniak and Maitan are probably in the top 175 of prospects.
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It’s not just Maitan, and not just scouting misstepping, but the whole complex of judgment errors.
 
jpx7 said:
It’s not just Maitan, and not just scouting misstepping, but the whole complex of judgment errors.
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The number of folks putting dirt on Maitan is somewhat surprising to me. Maybe the adjustment downwards was appropriate due to the volume of hype, but it would seem to me he's still a really, really good prospect who might now have somewhat realistic expectations. It seems as though his failure to be a sensation in his first summer stateside was taken as a major failure and there are just too many things that might have played into that to be as dismissive as some have become.

I will say that two or three of the other guys the Braves loss were guys that were tracking pretty well, I thought.
 
jpx7 said:
Meanwhile, he seems to be not buying the Pache helium as much (despite still throwing him the late mention).
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I am surprised by how highly rated Pache has become. Everytime I saw him in Rome he made the pitchers of both teams look better than they are. I'm not sure why people think he will ever out hit Rafael Belliard.
 
Jaw said:
I am surprised by how highly rated Pache has become. Everytime I saw him in Rome he made the pitchers of both teams look better than they are. I'm not sure why people think he will ever out hit Rafael Belliard.
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Good one?

Belliard posted a slick .400 OPS as an 18 YO in Rookie/A, then a .514 OPS as a 19 YO in A. Never posted anything higher than a .631 OPS in the minors until he was 25 in AA and had already had some significant MLB experience.
 
Southcack77 said:
The number of folks putting dirt on Maitan is somewhat surprising to me. Maybe the adjustment downwards was appropriate due to the volume of hype, but it would seem to me he's still a really, really good prospect who might now have somewhat realistic expectations. It seems as though his failure to be a sensation in his first summer stateside was taken as a major failure and there are just too many things that might have played into that to be as dismissive as some have become.

I will say that two or three of the other guys the Braves loss were guys that were tracking pretty well, I thought.
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It seems to me I read that a lot of reports on him when he came stateside is that he had gained a fair amount of weight which led to concerns that he spent all of his contract on Big Macs. Could have been a lot of sour grapes by other scouts (which many scouts don't bother hiding). I think the other thing is that the Braves rushed him stateside (along with most of the other 2016 signings). It wouldn't have hurt to have him and the other guys start the season in the Dominican Summer League and then graduating to the Gulf Coast League a bit later.

I see some similarities here (although it's way to early to tell on Maitan) with the Olivera fiasco. Olivera (like Maitan) was highly thought of by a lot of scouts and the Dodgers signed him to a pretty lucrative deal. You can never tell with these guys until they hit the field.
 
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