Stand or Nah?

Who cares.

I don't think it is an effective protest for what they're actually protesting... but Trump is so far off on this it's ridiculous. He needs to let it go... but people are so dumb about their military fetish in this country, he's sadly playing to a majority IMO
 
They're silently kneeling or locking arms and sitting. Nothing violent, nothing derogatory.

If people are are offended by that they seriously need to find a hobby. Better yet go in the mirror and tell yourself you're a snowflake.
 
I personally feel the need to stand, and I've always participated without even questioning it. Maybe because I never had to. I've flip flopped on this one a bit, as when Kap started doing this I was admittedly bothered. Not because of the cause, it just felt like an attention grabbing thing. But, I've never really dealt with the issues some people have had in life, and I'd rather someone protest quietly and peacefully instead of rioting, looting, and burning down other peoples property.

Reminds me of everyone freaking out over Tebow kneeling on the field and how some people just couldn't handle it. I couldn't figure out why anyone cared....
 
I am sure you all know how I feel. Instead of burying our heads in the sand it's time to do something about the problem. The war on drugs is the cause of all this. Cops are using this war to rape and pillage poor and minority communities. Focus on the real crimes. They dont have the money to test rape kits where I live. How about a war on rape.
 
mossy said:
I personally feel the need to stand, and I've always participated without even questioning it. Maybe because I never had to. I've flip flopped on this one a bit, as when Kap started doing this I was admittedly bothered. Not because of the cause, it just felt like an attention grabbing thing. But, I've never really dealt with the issues some people have had in life, and I'd rather someone protest quietly and peacefully instead of rioting, looting, and burning down other peoples property.

Reminds me of everyone freaking out over Tebow kneeling on the field and how some people just couldn't handle it. I couldn't figure out why anyone cared....
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I relate with this line of thinking very much. I also thought this was attention grabbing and also thought BLM was bull****. I still don't agree with the method, but I do think we should respect their right to protest, especially when it's done in such a peaceful manner as the players are doing.

The President is a child and needs to focus on issues that actually matter.
 
if any of you are the idiots burning your nfl stuff

i'll take your tickets for the Falcons game sunday and or your Julio Jones jersey

#takeaknee for no other reason to piss off the flag fetish snowflakes
 
I'm a stander, but someone taking a knee doesn't bother me. If people were sending tweets or making noise, that would be another thing.

Now that so many players are protesting and none of them are getting cut, can we finally agree that the reason Kaepernick isn't in the league is because he sucks?
 
If someone wanted to be disrespectful they could turn their backs. But even then I would defend their right to do so. I even think flag burning should be a protected form of expression.

I also think that a lot of the folks in the "Black Lives Matter" side of things are taking an approach to the problems between minorities and the police that is not constructive.

The thing that is most seriously lacking imo in this whole controversy is a sense of empathy. And I'm talking about empathy that goes both ways. For the police and the difficult job they do (in the overwhelming majority of cases while showing respect to people of all races). And for those who are victims of stereotyping by police and the rest of society.
 
I stand because I like to think of the flag is representative of our greatest ideals. I also recognize we haven't always lived up to them and that freedom is freedom. I recognize my American experience is not the same as everyone else. It's regrettable the players' message has gotten lost in translation.

I agree that empathy has been lost by people on both sides of this. We shouldn't ever shy away from having discussions about these real issues. Our president has an opportunity to take the lead on this and facilitate them. Instead, he's decided to make this his latest us vs. them crusade.
 
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http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/shock-poll-nfl-now-least-liked-sport-core-fans-down-31/article/2636837

The Winston Poll from the Washington-based Winston Group found that the attitude of those fans went from an August rating of 73 percent favorable and 19 percent unfavorable to 42 percent favorable and 47 percent unfavorable, a remarkable turn against the sport.

According to the poll analysis, "more critically for the NFL, the fall off in favorables occurred among important audiences. Among males, NFL favorables fell 23 percent, going from 68 percent to 45 percent. In looking at a more specific audience, males 34-54, NFL favorables fell 31 percent, going from 73 percent to 42 percent. Among this group the NFL has a surprising negative image, as it went from +54 percent in August to -5 percent in September."
 
The best part of this story?
All of the advertisers she mentions also advertise on her show.

http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2017/10/09/anti-trump-espn-host-calls-for-fans-to-boycott-nfl-advertisers.html

Jemele Hill, anti-Trump ESPN host, calls for fans to boycott NFL advertisers

Jemele Hill, host of "SC6," called on fans to take indirect action against the Dallas Cowboys after owner Jerry Jones told players they would be benched if they didn't stand up during the national anthem.

“Change happens when advertisers are impacted,” Hill wrote. “If you strongly reject what Jerry Jones said, the key is his advertisers.”
She urged “paying customers” to “boycott his advertisers” if they don’t agree with Jones’ comments. Hill quoted a list of Cowboys’ advertisers in one of her tweets, which included AT&T, Bank of America, Dr. Pepper Snapple Group, Ford Motors, MillerCoors and Pepsi, and sent a message to her 760,000-plus Twitter followers.
 
Jaw said:
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/shock-poll-nfl-now-least-liked-sport-core-fans-down-31/article/2636837

The Winston Poll from the Washington-based Winston Group found that the attitude of those fans went from an August rating of 73 percent favorable and 19 percent unfavorable to 42 percent favorable and 47 percent unfavorable, a remarkable turn against the sport.

According to the poll analysis, "more critically for the NFL, the fall off in favorables occurred among important audiences. Among males, NFL favorables fell 23 percent, going from 68 percent to 45 percent. In looking at a more specific audience, males 34-54, NFL favorables fell 31 percent, going from 73 percent to 42 percent. Among this group the NFL has a surprising negative image, as it went from +54 percent in August to -5 percent in September."
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It's not hard to see why. The NFL has tried to play both sides of the issue in the worst possible way.
 
Jaw said:
The best part of this story?
All of the advertisers she mentions also advertise on her show.

http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2017/10/09/anti-trump-espn-host-calls-for-fans-to-boycott-nfl-advertisers.html

Jemele Hill, anti-Trump ESPN host, calls for fans to boycott NFL advertisers

Jemele Hill, host of "SC6," called on fans to take indirect action against the Dallas Cowboys after owner Jerry Jones told players they would be benched if they didn't stand up during the national anthem.

“Change happens when advertisers are impacted,” Hill wrote. “If you strongly reject what Jerry Jones said, the key is his advertisers.”
She urged “paying customers” to “boycott his advertisers” if they don’t agree with Jones’ comments. Hill quoted a list of Cowboys’ advertisers in one of her tweets, which included AT&T, Bank of America, Dr. Pepper Snapple Group, Ford Motors, MillerCoors and Pepsi, and sent a message to her 760,000-plus Twitter followers.
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Hill has 760K twitter followers?!? Lol
 
Tea Pain‏ @TeaPainUSA 3h3 hours ago



Trump's NFL stunts ain't about kneelin' or sittin' or standin'. It's about black folks not doin' what white supremacists want 'em to do.

Tea Pain‏ @TeaPainUSA 8h8 hours ago

Tea Pain Retweeted Donald J. Trump

To sum up...

Black folks speakin' up = hate America.

Nazis in the street praisin' Russia = very fine people.

 
Jemele Hill suspended for 2 weeks for her tweets urging followers to boycott Cowboys (and ESPN) sponsors due to Jerry Jones promise that kneeling players would not play.
 
she signed a contract saying she would abide by their rules.
She's a big girl.

What were you saying earlier about principles ?
It only matters if you lose something in the process {Ali} ----- what did Stevie congressman lose ?
 
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