The petering out of "new atheism" or how Dawkins is so yesterday

AerchAngel said:
A better question is.....why do Atheists fear Christianity? And to further it more than Islam?
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Because athiests do not want Christian laws nor Sharia laws. Athiests don't care about gay marriage and are not actively trying to constitutional ban it.

Atheists just wish the Christian right would stop politicizing religion into politics. Separation of church and state.
 
KeithLockhart said:
Because athiests do not want Christian laws nor Sharia laws. Athiests don't care about gay marriage and are not actively trying to constitutional ban it.

Atheists just wish the Christian right would stop politicizing religion into politics. Separation of church and state.
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And that could be swung the other way around asking the left to quit telling Christians (left and right) what they can and cannot accept or submit to their rules. There are plethora of blacks on the left wishing their own party to quit forcing them to accept laws they do not agree with.

I love this quote...so who politicizing it: "“The sense I have is blacks are tired of being lobbied or targeted. They’ve kind of turned back on some of the advocates and lobbyists and are asking, ‘Why don’t you get some Republicans?’” one high-level Democratic insider said Friday."

You see how that works?
 
AerchAngel said:
And that could be swung the other way around asking the left to quit telling Christians (left and right) what they can and cannot accept or submit to their rules. There are plethora of blacks on the left wishing their own party to quit forcing them to accept laws they do not agree with.

I love this quote...so who politicizing it: "“The sense I have is blacks are tired of being lobbied or targeted. They’ve kind of turned back on some of the advocates and lobbyists and are asking, ‘Why don’t you get some Republicans?’” one high-level Democratic insider said Friday."

You see how that works?
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Except it's not the same AA.

We are supposed to have separation between church and state for a reason. Look at the debacle that almost happened in AZ and last week Kansas.

Atheism isn't a religion, it's a status.

There is no following or preaching, it's simply I do not believe in god. There is no organized book or constitution, it's just being it.

I'm not actually an atheist, although it is very troubling to me how many people kill and fight in the name of god. I asked a very very conservative woman jesusaholic that used to be one of my teachers, if 9 innocent children and women die because we drone and go for 1 guy, is it worth the 9 other innocent deaths? She said "As a Christian, I pray we fight them over there so it isn't fought on our homeland". The land of the free and the brave, drone strike and kill 9 innocent kids because of 1 person, that's acceptable? She finally said yes. You want to be pro-life for a fetus, and at the same time be OK with killing innocents around the world...

Very very troubling logic.
 
keith

you know the road it is going down

first of all, he didn't answer the question and he then changed the topic and asked his own question

then bedell is going to come in and say atheism is a religion and we all must submit to it etc etc etc etc
 
KeithLockhart said:
Except it's not the same AA.

We are supposed to have separation between church and state for a reason. Look at the debacle that almost happened in AZ and last week Kansas.

Atheism isn't a religion, it's a status.

There is no following or preaching, it's simply I do not believe in god. There is no organized book or constitution, it's just being it.
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Then act like Dalyn and just ignore both sets of Christians on left and right and their politicking. He does a great job and if you are an Atheist, follow his lead. He is a person I like and trust and we are on the opposite side in religion and I don't tell him what he should think nor he does it to me unlike you all.
 
goldfly said:
keith

you know the road it is going down

first of all, he didn't answer the question and he then changed the topic and asked his own question

then bedell is going to come in and say atheism is a religion and we all must submit to it etc etc etc etc
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I've considered going into atheism, because I do not like dictatorships, and any religion that says you have to submit to a specific person or you will not be rewarded is a dictatorship. When good things happen, everyone thanks god, when bad stuff happens nobody says anything or "this is god's path for me". When my aunt was laying in bed dying of cancer and could no longer speak, and my mom was on phone crying for 3 hours, should I thank god for giving all that pain to my mom and her sister? Not to mention they're devout catholics, so the fact they'd have to experience so much torment because of "god's will" is a sick joke. If he really was all-knowing, controlling, and held all the cards, then he plays some sick tricks. People starving everywhere around the world becuse they were born in s---holes and poverty. Yet we thank god because we were "blessed" to be born in America and enjoy the rewards of living here.

What a sick joke!
 
goldfly said:
keith

you know the road it is going down

first of all, he didn't answer the question and he then changed the topic and asked his own question

then bedell is going to come in and say atheism is a religion and we all must submit to it etc etc etc etc
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Atheism is not a religion, but a belief, also Bedell never told anyone here to submit and if he did, shame on him, but I do know, you all want all the Right or Christians to submit or accept your beliefs, that is the standard MO on here.
 
KeithLockhart said:
I've considered going into atheism, because I do not like dictatorships, and any religion that says you have to submit to a specific person or you will not be rewarded is a dictatorship. When good things happen, everyone thanks god, when bad stuff happens nobody says anything or "this is god's path for me". When my aunt was laying in bed dying of cancer and could no longer speak, and my mom was on phone crying for 3 hours, should I thank god for giving all that pain to my mom and her sister? Not to mention they're devout catholics, so the fact they'd have to experience so much torment because of "god's will" is a sick joke. If he really was all-knowing, controlling, and held all the cards, then he plays some sick tricks. People starving everywhere around the world becuse they were born in s---holes and poverty. Yet we thank god because we were "blessed" to be born in America and enjoy the rewards of living here.

What a sick joke!
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Who said you have to submit? I do not submit to any religion, because I don't believe in them, never have really. That is why I not a part of any church. I go to church, but I do not belong to a church. This misnomer that if you go to church you are devoted to religion is hogwash.

Things happen in this world, nothing has been foreordain, it just happens and you are the one that make decisions on what happens to you like drunk driving, drug overdose, using a weapon to kill. No one made you do it, you did it yourself and God, Satan or Casper the friendly ghost has no bearing on that.
 
weso1 said:
I don't think all christians fear it but some do.

Because it directly challenges their faith and hope in something.
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That is why I did the reverse, some atheists fear that God is real and they will spend eternity in Hell because they never believe.

That would definitely scare me.

But in the end, each person is responsible for themselves and believe what they want, just don't tell me what to believe and not to believe and we are square. There has to be respect on both sides and we definitely do not have this on this board and the left is worse at than the right. I do not tell you all what to believe but by golly you try to tell me what I need to accept or submit to.
 
AerchAngel said:
That is why I did the reverse, some atheists fear that God is real and they will spend eternity in Hell because they never believe.
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As someone who is more frightened of the oblivion that I believe meets us at death than any other spiritual/intellectual fate, this is one atheist that believes "Hell" is a hopeful proposition—sort of like how Stanley Kubrick believed all ghost stories were inherently optimistic.

But, having spoken with a lot of atheists—most much more passionate than I am about the whole thing—I really do not believe many at all "fear that God is real and they will spend eternity in Hell because they never believe". It's more that they fear (and I'm paraphrasing the thoughts of others here, and not my own) that so many humans could be so ignorant to the obvious rationality of divine absence.
 
jpx7 said:
Each side always says that.
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Not really, when I say I am against gay marriage (religious, not government) or against abortion, all the left come on here and trash me and say I must accept it and they are right, but I never tell them that they should accept that gay marriage is wrong in a religious sense or that abortion is murder. You all like to label and force people to your way of thinking, I would not do such a thing, I try to respect people opinions but you all cannot even do that. It is either your way or no way, there is no compromising while I try to compromise and have.
 
KeithLockhart said:
Except it's not the same AA.

We are supposed to have separation between church and state for a reason. Look at the debacle that almost happened in AZ and last week Kansas.

Atheism isn't a religion, it's a status.

There is no following or preaching, it's simply I do not believe in god. There is no organized book or constitution, it's just being it.

I'm not actually an atheist, although it is very troubling to me how many people kill and fight in the name of god. I asked a very very conservative woman jesusaholic that used to be one of my teachers, if 9 innocent children and women die because we drone and go for 1 guy, is it worth the 9 other innocent deaths? She said "As a Christian, I pray we fight them over there so it isn't fought on our homeland". The land of the free and the brave, drone strike and kill 9 innocent kids because of 1 person, that's acceptable? She finally said yes. You want to be pro-life for a fetus, and at the same time be OK with killing innocents around the world...

Very very troubling logic.
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Balderdash.
 
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