Will the real Jason Heyward please stand up?

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Millwood1Hitter

Anytime Now Frankie...
Who exactly are you? The one that was highly touted as a great prospect that could hit for average, power, and walk like your once in a century rookie campaign

Or

The one that struggles to even hit the most mediocre of fastballs and breaking stuff and strikes out or rolls out to second base every at bat?

We've seen more of the later, and the excuse has always been injury. You've had some Phenominal stretches like after moving to lead off before getting hit in the face.

It's put up or shut up time.
 
I can't verify these numbers, got it from the comments section on ESPN. But if they are accurate, it's worse than I thought.

Jeff Williams - Explain to me again how Heyward will "come around" His career numbers are below average across the board. If you don't believe that, here are his 162 game average numbers for his career:

148 hits, 88 runs, 29 doubles, 4 triples, 22 home runs, 70 RBI, 14 steals, 76 walks, 137 strike outs, .256/.349/.435 (.784 OPS)

Even if you wanted to argue those numbers aren't "bad", those are 162 game averages and he averages 111 games per year, so you get the point. He's not very good. When you've been in the league 5 years and your best year was your rookie year, that's not a good sign. Braves fans should know something about that (See: Jeff Francoeur)
 
Millwood1Hitter said:
Who exactly are you? The one that was highly touted as a great prospect that could hit for average, power, and walk like your once in a century rookie campaign

Or

The one that struggles to even hit the most mediocre of fastballs and breaking stuff and strikes out or rolls out to second base every at bat?

We've seen more of the later, and the excuse has always been injury. You've had some Phenominal stretches like after moving to lead off before getting hit in the face.
It's put up or shut up time.
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This post has so much fail. The "we've seen more of the later" part. :eusa_dance:

Got to love the strikes out or grounds out to second every at bat. That's so lol worthy.

We have 4 years of Sample with J-Hey. we have 3 years of very good offense, 1 year of below average offense. Even with his below average offense season, he was still a very good MLB player because of his speed and defense. Last 2 years before this he posted a 121 and 120 wRC+ neither are world beaters, but for someone with best in baseball defense, being well above average with that insane defense makes for a great player.

Complaining about Jason is silly.
 
zitothebrave said:
He will hit. If he keeps his defense up, we have maybe the best player in the NL. Heyward's on an insane pace defensively with a 55.9 UZR/150 now.
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Ahhhh. Gotta love sabermetrics. Been disguising Jason's mediocrity and title of being a bust for 3 years now.

He's not what everyone wanted him to be. The complaining and worry about Heyward is just. There isn't a sabermetric in the world that can convince me otherwise. Ride him out as long as possible and he can take his ass and that gold glove to free agency. He looks like an idiot standing up there with new ungodly stance he has.
 
jsebe10 said:
Ahhhh. Gotta love sabermetrics. Been disguising Jason's mediocrity and title of being a bust for 3 years now.

He's not what everyone wanted him to be. The complaining and worry about Heyward is just. There isn't a sabermetric in the world that can convince me otherwise. Ride him out as long as possible and he can take his ass and that gold glove to free agency. He looks like an idiot standing up there with new ungodly stance he has.
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He's had one below average year at the plate.

Three over very good years.

Not counting this season.

Keep making stuff up though.

Bust though, no, not what most thought, probably.

Contract wise, i'm not sure.
 
thethe said:
I love Heyward and want him here long term but the talk of him getting more money than Freeman was and always will be crazy.
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Shouldn't have even been a thought. What really alarms me was at the time Franceour got canned, his #s suggested he'd be hitting circles around Heyward. The difference is that we have the pitching and hitting to carry Heyward.
 
jsebe10 said:
Shouldn't have even been a thought. What really alarms me was at the time Franceour got canned, his #s suggested he'd be hitting circles around Heyward. The difference is that we have the pitching and hitting to carry Heyward.
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Heyward is in no small part helping to carry the pitchers.
 
jsebe10 said:
Shouldn't have even been a thought. What really alarms me was at the time Franceour got canned, his #s suggested he'd be hitting circles around Heyward. The difference is that we have the pitching and hitting to carry Heyward.
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Heyward's defense doesnt help at all, does it?
 
Yeah, Heywards value on the defense is real. But, if he wants to get paid top dollar he needs to get more consistent at the plate. I can't even remember the last time Heyward hit a ball hard.
 
jsebe10 said:
Shouldn't have even been a thought. What really alarms me was at the time Franceour got canned, his #s suggested he'd be hitting circles around Heyward. The difference is that we have the pitching and hitting to carry Heyward.
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What the hell are you even talking about? Heyward's worst season (ignoring this year's tiny sample) he his .227/.319/.389 in a pitching heavy era. With the Braves Francoeur (ignoring his small sample rookie season) Francoeur bested those numbers when adjusted to era and accounting for the importance of on base percentage, Francoeur topped Heyward's worst season once. His super lucky .337 BABIP season. And ignoring Failcouer's fluketacular rookie season, he never (including his time with the Royals) came close to Jason's second worst season offensively. Francoeur hit really ****ty for a full season and a half before we canned him. I'm assuming your "hitting circles around" comment pertains with Jason's season this year. Which is only about 1/7 through.

Maybe you should take a chill pill and use your head.
 
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