goldfly (03-10-2017)
Why can't a scenario of the CIA hacking into podesta/dnc/etc... to create an environment of anti resussia be plausible? Maybe they thought trump was so toxic of a candidate that he still wouldn't win.
Not saying this is probable but it's something to think about. Again, this is only in response to the recent revelations of the CIA going completely out of control.
I'm ambivalent on both. Everyone seems to want complete transparency until they don't. Assange and Snowden are equal opportunity offenders. I don't subscribe completely to Plato's Noble Lie, but there's the old saying about there's two things you don't really want to watch (and I'm paraphrasing a bit) and that's sausage being made and government at work.
But for my fellow denizens on the left, Assange and all the Russia crap didn't lose the election for Hillary. Because I've been in politics, I found the revelations trite because all it really was was campaign insider talk, but I can imagine for someone whose never been involved in politics they would cause some dismay, which is why I say to the uninformed "Never watch The West Wing."
BedellBrave (03-10-2017)
Unbelievable and believable at the same time
"For there is always light, if only we are brave enough to see it. If only we are brave enough to be it." Amanda Gorman
"When Fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross"
"For there is always light, if only we are brave enough to see it. If only we are brave enough to be it." Amanda Gorman
"When Fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross"
50PoundHead (03-10-2017), The Chosen One (03-10-2017)
Poor people will take care of themselves? That's literally the dumbest thing I've EVER heard. At my local ER, the poor come in droves, same with the local urgent care clinics. Those people have no clue how to take care of themselves. Cutting any funding for this group will be a disaster, even if we wish they'd try harder. Mainly it will be a disaster for those trying to take care of them.
Are the Rep's really this stupid?
I pretty much agree across the board. I don't think that Snowden is a hero, but I think that the net result of his revelations was probably in the public interest. As has been discussed around here a few times, I think the motives are mostly (but not entirely) irrelevant. Mark Felt leaked to Woodward and Bernstein because he was jealous and disgruntled. His revelations nevertheless served the public interest. It's a tricky issue and a pretty tough tightrope to walk, but I'm generally in favor of the idea that leaks that expose holes in our government's processes and checks and balances are ok, on balance. That comes with the caveat that they can still be dangerous and damaging and subject to prosecution.
I have always thought that Assange was a con man and a narcissist. Like Sen. Sasse, I would't mind seeing him fitted for an orange jumpsuit.
I would echo 50 in being dismissive of the Clintonistas crying about Wikileaks bollixing the election for them. I think it's fair not to lose sight of the fact that they were subject to a criminal invasion, but they are ultimately responsible for not being better at their jobs. Russia hurt, Comey hurt, but they have to be accountable at the end of the day.
Spicer's flag lapel is on upside down at today's press briefing. Hmm.
Julio3000 (03-10-2017), The Chosen One (03-10-2017)
The president was clear
Those number in the past were phony
These are real
https://twitter.com/cnn/status/840277753777680384
"For there is always light, if only we are brave enough to see it. If only we are brave enough to be it." Amanda Gorman
"When Fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross"
You guys think that if Obama economic policies were continues we would see this type of investment? Geez...
Spicer bull****ted so hard about Flynn.