Braves sign Pierzynski

[Carp]

So this thread never, ever happened I guess?

http://www.chopcountry.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2674

[AerchAngel]

Where is it I say he should get 20+ mil?

Thank you.

I said north of 15 mil, that is all. It could mean 15.01 mil, or 16 mil, but it doesn't say 20 mil.

[Sheffield10]

You said he deserves 15 mill... But here you are saying "no player deserves that it's rubbish". I'm confused as well.

[AerchAngel]

You said he deserves 15 mill... But here you are saying "no player deserves that it's rubbish". I'm confused as well.

To be totally honest, no player is worth 1 million to play a freaking game if you want to play that game.

Freeman doesn't deserve 20 mil, Heyward if you based on offense alone is not worth 15 mil, but his overall game and by most GM's worth that due to his otherworldly defense. But a 18 homer guy is worth 20 mil nowadays for I have no idea why.

[Carp]

Where is it I say he should get 20+ mil?

Thank you.

I said north of 15 mil, that is all. It could mean 15.01 mil, or 16 mil, but it doesn't say 20 mil.

And yet you also implied that you were ok giving "superstar money" to Heyward.

[Carp]

To be totally honest, no player is worth 1 million to play a freaking game if you want to play that game.

Freeman doesn't deserve 20 mil, Heyward if you based on offense alone is not worth 15 mil, but his overall game and by most GM's worth that due to his otherworldly defense. But a 18 homer guy is worth 20 mil nowadays for I have no idea why.

Sure they are. The market dictates so. Baseball is a multi million, if not billion, dollar industry, of which the players are the main attraction.

[Dalyn]

Sure they are. The market dictates so. Baseball is a multi million dollar industry, of which the players are the main attraction.

Teams almost always make more off a player than they are paying him. Most are worth every penny (and then some).

[Dalyn]

To be totally honest, no player is worth 1 million to play a freaking game if you want to play that game.

Freeman doesn't deserve 20 mil, Heyward if you based on offense alone is not worth 15 mil, but his overall game and by most GM's worth that due to his otherworldly defense. But a 18 homer guy is worth 20 mil nowadays for I have no idea why.

Freeman is averaging 21+ HRs per year. Not 18. He is also not a 20 million dollar player and won't be for another two seasons. He'll make a COMBINED 20 million in the next two seasons. He was worth WAY more than the 5 million he made in 2014 and will likely be worth WAY more than the 8 in 2015 and 12 in 2016. His contract has him at a bit under 17 million per year if you want to average it out.

[Carp]

Oh another thing Carp, I don't think any player in baseball should get 15 mil or more a year so that statement is pure rubbish. I would be the first person to say he isn't worth it. If I had to pay any player that amount and based on their history is Trout and Cabrera and maybe Stanton and the list ends there.

People on here think I am cheap and they are right. I made a lil cash playing pro ball (basketball), but the money they are getting now I saw, what a bunch of crap.

Well the who exactly "deserves" to make the money in the industry, if not the players who make baseball so popular? You think people are going to pay money to see inferior talent? Ever been to a CFL game to the hundreds of fans in attendance?

[Runnin]

Looking on the bright side, maybe AJ will piss in Harper's ear a little bit when the Nats come to town. Teheran on the mound and AJ behind the plate might be enough to get in his head.

Better to leave well enough alone in this case. Whatever is in his head now is doing the job.

[goldfly]

never really understand the anger of employees making money (no matter the job)

and not having the same anger at the even more absurd money that owners etc pocket off the backs of said workers

i don't tune into or go to the stadium to see the owners (though i might if it it means Ted comes back or Blank could own the team) and i don't watch the to see the crappy ads for crappy products served in horrible fast food places that pay a lot to advertise and make a lot of money from those advertisements


if a player isn't worth more than 1 million

we better go back to 50 cent tickets and 5 cent cokes and popcorns and no games on tv etc


these salaries are only that high because people in some way are watching and making rich people even richer. i don't care if someone that i enjoy watching play ball gets paid. would rather the money go to that person than the absurdly rich and greedy owner.

[AerchAngel]

Use to go to a lot of games when I were little.

Now, unless the tickets are free, I won't bother. I don't pay the MLB TV packages either. I have other means if I want to watch.

A reason blacks aren't going to games anymore, we can't (not me) afford to go to them.

[Metaphysicist]

k, I promote him to Mark Grace territory, you happy? LOL

or John Olerud even.

Still not in Votto's league and with the same paycheck.

I expect the same results, every year.

30 100 .300 .900 for a 20+ mil player.

I'd take Olerud's career for Freddie in a heartbeat. That dude could hit and he had a great glove.

[Julio3000]

I'd take Olerud's career for Freddie in a heartbeat. That dude could hit and he had a great glove.

Amen.

[NYCBrave]

They don't scream elite either, .286, 18 and 78 with 145 k's and only what .840 OPS. The only thing that was decent was his OPS+.

Ho hum numbers to me. Now with no protection if Gattis gets traded, it will get worse.

Only .840 OPS? That was the 19th best OPS in all of MLB last year. This isn't 1998 anymore.

[thewupk]

Only .840 OPS? That was the 19th best OPS in all of MLB last year. This isn't 1998 anymore.

Yeah. You have to adjust for the league. Which is why his WRC+ and OPS+ are as good as they are. Freeman ranked 17th in total bases with 280. Tied for 15th in WRC+. 5th in walks. He's an excellent hitter.

[Braves1976]

Yeah. You have to adjust for the league. Which is why his WRC+ and OPS+ are as good as they are. Freeman ranked 17th in total bases with 280. Tied for 15th in WRC+. 5th in walks. He's an excellent hitter.

Freeman was also one of the few hitters to show anything this past Sept. And while a .759 OPS in Sept. was not Freeman like I would say that was likely somewhat fatigue from playing every game. Plus it was still the best OPS on the team among regulars and much better than Justin Upton's .559 Sept. OPS. As hard as it is to believe, BJ Upton had a better OPS this past Sept. than his brother Justin. BJ Upton's Sept. OPS was .734 in 17 games (including a .216 batting average). If BJ could put up an OPS over .700 the first half half this coming season, then maybe we could actually trade him at the deadline.

[thewupk]

Freeman was also one of the few hitters to show anything this past Sept. And while a .759 OPS in Sept. was not Freeman like I would say that was likely somewhat fatigue from playing every game. Plus it was still the best OPS on the team among regulars and much better than Justin Upton's .559 Sept. OPS. As hard as it is to believe, BJ Upton had a better OPS this past Sept. than his brother Justin. BJ Upton's Sept. OPS was .734 in 17 games (including a .216 batting average). If BJ could put up an OPS over .700 the first half half this coming season, then maybe we could actually trade him at the deadline.

Like Kevin Garnett said. Anything Is Possible

[Braves1976]

MLBTR: "If A.J. Pierzynski‘s Spring Training looks like a continuation of his subpar 2014 season, he may not make the Braves‘ Opening Day roster, writes Fangraphs’ David Laurila in his latest Sunday Notes column. Pierzynski and the Braves agreed to a one-year, $2MM deal on Christmas Eve."

[zitothebrave]

Like Kevin Garnett said. Anything Is Possible