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    I'm sure there are posts somewhere of thethe calling Jimmy G amazing


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    Quote Originally Posted by sturg33 View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Carp View Post
    Purdy has a longer sample size then jsut first 12 games of season and sadly Jimmy got hurt a few times and crushed the little athleticism he had.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    He escaped the pocket and threw it into an area where Ayiuk was able to maintain momentum and run underneath a ball.

    When you say competant QB how many are you saying exist?
    Pretty much every single QB in the NFL can make that throw. Plenty of back-ups too. What separates good QBs and bad QBs is not the ability to make any 1 particular throw. Zach Wilson has made some great throws at various times year. The problem is consistency.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carp View Post
    Pretty much every single QB in the NFL can make that throw. Plenty of back-ups too. What separates good QBs and bad QBs is not the ability to make any 1 particular throw.
    I vehemently disagree that a long listing of QB's can make that throw but thats just one throw in a collection of amazing throws that Purdy makes each and every game.

    And as I continue to say watch the QB school tape on him. The timing and accuracy of his throws is spectacular.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    I vehemently disagree that a long listing of QB's can make that throw but thats just one throw in a collection of amazing throws that Purdy makes each and every game.

    And as I continue to say watch the QB school tape on him. The timing and accuracy of his throws is spectacular.
    Then you don't watch any other team in the league then. Will Levis has made similar throws this season. Hell Gardner Minshew makes similar throws. That play/throw was not anything special.
    Last edited by Carp; 12-14-2023 at 11:02 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carp View Post
    Then you don't watch any other team in the league then. Will Levis has made similar throws this season. Hell Gardner Minshew makes similar throws. That play/throw was not anything special.
    Please provide the play - ALl of these are available. If you are so sure of it then lets compare.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    Please provide the play - ALl of these are available. If you are so sure of it then lets compare.
    First QB I pull up is Zach Wilson.

    https://www.google.com/search?q=grea...JRrbp6voY,st:0

    3rd play on this highlight is nearly identical to the play you posted. Actually, it's better because he made a back shoulder throw to the sideline and threaded the needle between 2 defenders. And this is Zach effing Wilson making this throw, who is at best the 30th ranked QB this year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carp View Post
    First QB I pull up is Zach Wilson.

    https://www.google.com/search?q=grea...JRrbp6voY,st:0

    3rd play on this highlight is nearly identical to the play you posted. Actually, it's better because he made a back shoulder throw to the sideline and threaded the needle between 2 defenders. And this is Zach effing Wilson making this throw, who is at best the 30th ranked QB this year.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Carp View Post
    He is looking at him the whole play.

    Physically Wilson can make every throw in the game but his progressions are awful and why he hasn't been able to take the next step despite having talent around him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    Your response includes a handful of guys (Stafford can’t make that play btw but he makes other worldly throws). Then you post a clip of arguably the best QB of all time as a rebuff?
    No my point is that is an incredibly tough through. Cross body throws are hard. Rolling out to your weak side and throwing isn't hard. WHat makes the weak side rollout hard is the escaping pressure aspect. That's the point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    He is looking at him the whole play.

    Physically Wilson can make every throw in the game but his progressions are awful and why he hasn't been able to take the next step despite having talent around him.
    LMAO, dude just stop. 1st off Allard was not his first read on that play. He is looking over the middle until he feels the pressure, then rolls out, keeps his eyes down the field and finds Allard along the sideline and makes a gorgeous throw. It was a significantly better pass than the Brock pass.

    The point I'm making is not to say that Wilson is on par Brock as QB. Quite obviously he is not. But you made the statement that it wasn't a throw/play many QBs can make. I am saying you are FOS.

    It was a nice throw, but it was a NFL level throw. It's a throw you expect any NFL level starting caliber QB to make. The difference between Brock and Wilson is not these type of plays, because these types of plays are infrequent. The difference in Brock and Wilson is what happens the other 98% of the time. The ability to read a defense, going through progressions, knowing when to check down, etc. That is the difference between good QBs (Mahomes, Allen, Burrow, Herbert) and bad QBs (Ridder, Zach Wilson, Mac Jones, etc).
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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    He is looking at him the whole play.

    Physically Wilson can make every throw in the game but his progressions are awful and why he hasn't been able to take the next step despite having talent around him.
    Carp is not trying to say Wilson is good. He's pointing otu that throwing while rolling out to your weak side isn't amazing.

    It's also ignoring a huge bonus Purdy would know that because of DL stunt, he knew Trent WIlliams one of the best OL in the game would be there to pickup the next guy who was rushing so he wasn't under as much duress giving him time to read progressions and setup and throw.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zitothebrave View Post
    Carp is not trying to say Wilson is good. He's pointing otu that throwing while rolling out to your weak side isn't amazing.

    It's also ignoring a huge bonus Purdy would know that because of DL stunt, he knew Trent WIlliams one of the best OL in the game would be there to pickup the next guy who was rushing so he wasn't under as much duress giving him time to read progressions and setup and throw.
    Trent is an all timer but overall the niners line hasn't been good this year. Purdy has been good mostly in spite of this.

    Running up the left side though with Banks as well at guard has been incredible this year.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    Trent is an all timer but overall the niners line hasn't been good this year. Purdy has been good mostly in spite of this.

    Running up the left side though with Banks as well at guard has been incredible this year.
    For sure, Niners line isn't that great, Losing McGlinchey hurt a ton. But Williams still is a beast. My point was the DL stunt he escaped from set him up for success. Which is good pocket movement/presence, but it's not anything truly outstanding. Like it's what you'd expect anyone capable of holding down a regular starting job of doing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Carp View Post
    Then you don't watch any other team in the league then. Will Levis has made similar throws this season. Hell Gardner Minshew makes similar throws. That play/throw was not anything special.
    He's already said he doesn't pay attention to any teams other than the Niners. What's funny is literally no one is saying Purdy isn't very good. In fact most are saying he's in the top 2 for MVP... Dak is just a little bit ahead right now which is true for everyone except for Niners fans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zbhargrove View Post
    He's already said he doesn't pay attention to any teams other than the Niners. What's funny is literally no one is saying Purdy isn't very good. In fact most are saying he's in the top 2 for MVP... Dak is just a little bit ahead right now which is true for everyone except for Niners fans.
    I mean I'd put Purdy over Dak, but I can see the argument for both.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zitothebrave View Post
    I mean I'd put Purdy over Dak, but I can see the argument for both.
    Uh uh - a non Niner fan!

    Purdy has been incredible when you look at efficiency related stats. Clear differentiator.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    Uh uh - a non Niner fan!

    Purdy has been incredible when you look at efficiency related stats. Clear differentiator.
    Dak wins some things, purdy wins other.

    This weekend will be huge for Allen, if he can beat Dallas he will leap up the standings a lot.
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