Legal/scotus thread

[sturg33]

We know exactly what they meant because they told us all in their writings like the federalist papers

[zitothebrave]

I do genuinely want to understand how the left reconciles the support for vaccine mandates with the body autonomy argument for abortion

What I want to know is how you support na doctor telling someone it's OK to take HCQ or any other non-approved COVID treatment, but not support a Doctor and patient making the decision to protect a patient's life with an abortion?

[sturg33]

What I want to know is how you support na doctor telling someone it's OK to take HCQ or any other non-approved COVID treatment, but not support a Doctor and patient making the decision to protect a patient's life with an abortion?

What a great question that I will happily answer as soon as my initial question gets answered

[57Brave]

we disagree

based on reading the words without qualification,

again, is this an NRA or Federalist interpretation ?
because I doubt seriously you or anyone here is an 18th century constitutional scholar

[sturg33]

we disagree

based on reading the words without qualification,

again, is this an NRA or Federalist interpretation ?
because I doubt seriously you or anyone here is an 18th century constitutional scholar

Do you think you understand the language better than the current nine supreme court justices?

[zitothebrave]

We know exactly what they meant because they told us all in their writings like the federalist papers

That's not what the federalist papers were. And they didn't agree in them.

https://avalon.law.yale.edu/18th_century/fed29.asp

Where in there does it say a homie can walk around the streets strapped with a nine?

[thewupk]

we disagree

based on reading the words without qualification,

again, is this an NRA or Federalist interpretation ?
because I doubt seriously you or anyone here is an 18th century constitutional scholar

go read up on Eugene Volokh and his thoughts on the 2nd amendment

[thewupk]

That's not what the federalist papers were. And they didn't agree in them.

https://avalon.law.yale.edu/18th_century/fed29.asp

Where in there does it say a homie can walk around the streets strapped with a nine?

[57Brave]

https://avalon.law.yale.edu/18th_century/fed29.asp


I fail to see what this has to do with unfettered access to and carrying weapons in the open

and to your point, regulated means regulated

reg·u·late
/ˈreɡyəˌlāt/

verb
past tense: regulated; past participle: regulated
control or maintain the rate or speed of (a machine or process) so that it operates properly.
"a hormone that regulates metabolism and organ function"

control or supervise (something, especially a company or business activity) by means of rules and regulations.
"the organization that regulates fishing in the region"

set (a clock or other apparatus) according to an external standard.
"the standard time by which other clocks were regulated"
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I unlike my conservative brethren do not worship at the alter of original intent
this is the 21st cwntury where blood letting is no longer the cure

[Garmel]

we disagree

based on reading the words without qualification,

again, is this an NRA or Federalist interpretation ?
because I doubt seriously you or anyone here is an 18th century constitutional scholar

Do a search on what "well regulated definition 1776" and see what I'm talking about. You do realize that using the modern definition that the Amendment contradicts itself so it can't be correct.

I guess CNN is using right wing sources here I guess. https://constitutioncenter.org/image...CNN_Aug_11.pdf

[57Brave]

Do you think you understand the language better than the current nine supreme court justices?

are they dare I say, " experts" ?

why take these experts at their word but not people that have studied infectious deseases all of their lives
I smell a political rat

[57Brave]

Do a search on what "well regulated definition 1776" and see what I'm talking about. You do realize that using the modern definition that the Amendment contradicts itself so it can't be correct.

I guess CNN is using right wing sources here I guess. https://constitutioncenter.org/image...CNN_Aug_11.pdf

I dont care, I live in the 21st century and will rely on living breathing evolving 21st century definitions
When your children get sick do you take them for a good old fashioned blood letting ?

[sturg33]

are they dare I say, " experts" ?

why take these experts at their word but not people that have studied infectious deseases all of their lives
I smell a political rat

My question was specifically if you think you understand it better than them

[Garmel]

https://avalon.law.yale.edu/18th_century/fed29.asp


I fail to see what this has to do with unfettered access to and carrying weapons in the open

and to your point, regulated means regulated

reg·u·late
/ˈreɡyəˌlāt/

verb
past tense: regulated; past participle: regulated
control or maintain the rate or speed of (a machine or process) so that it operates properly.
"a hormone that regulates metabolism and organ function"

control or supervise (something, especially a company or business activity) by means of rules and regulations.
"the organization that regulates fishing in the region"

set (a clock or other apparatus) according to an external standard.
"the standard time by which other clocks were regulated"
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I unlike my conservative brethren do not worship at the alter of original intent
this is the 21st cwntury where blood letting is no longer the cure

Words change over time. Applying 21st century interpretations to 18th century wording make no sense.

[Garmel]

I dont care, I live in the 21st century and will rely on living breathing evolving 21st century definitions
When your children get sick do you take them for a good old fashioned blood letting ?

"My feelings are more important than the Constitution!"

[sturg33]

Also true.

The left kept pushing and pushing and finally got pushed back. This case never would have existed without this

[57Brave]

applying 18th century meanings to 21st century situations is bass ackwards

shoot we are learning that applying what was standard understanding 50 years ago to today is a fools errand

[Garmel]

applying 18th century meanings to 21st century situations is bass ackwards

If you believe that then use the law to change it. We're not going to run society based off of emotions.

[sturg33]

applying 18th century meanings to 21st century situations is bass ackwards

Lucky for you... The founders created remedies to allow 21st century law makers to change these laws.

It seems there is just not enough public support for that change to happen.

Thems the breaks

[57Brave]

not arguing that
in fact agree with that

which speaks to voter suppression
and the barriers laid out to facilitate every adult person has
unfettered access to vote.

Did you know that in New Zealand (Australia ?) voting is mandatory ?

Polling agrees with me --- voting not so muxh
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but, lets go back to recent history where the candidate with the fewer votes got to appoint 3 SC Justices in 4 years
which is where our support as citizens breathes