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Are we ever gonna get that list of governors that had accomplished more than RDS?
Or is this one of those you selective ignore in your cowardice?
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Are we ever gonna get that list of governors that had accomplished more than RDS?
Or is this one of those you selective ignore in your cowardice?
Sorry I read it quickly and mistook MAGA for simply Republicans in general. Republicans have not lost consistently since 2018
The support you gave wasn’t on the wall trump wanted to build so all that support means nothing. Of course shotty fencing needs maintenance. Do you own a home? But put up PVC and it’s like a power wash every 2 years.
JD Vance won and anyone with a brain saw what they did to Lake in Arizona.
You clearly didn't read the articles. From Fox in reference to the Trump's proposed wall:
"Many different cost estimates have been thrown around, from as little as $8 billion to as much as $70 billion, with anywhere from $150 million per year to $750 million per year in maintenance."
And they are basing those estimates on historical data. Historical data which is on a completely different type of wall. So clearly you don’t understand.
Also why you get such a large range from a percentage perspective of the maintenance. 150M per year is peanuts.
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No. They. Aren't.
Dude just read the articles.
From WAPO regarding the parts of Trump's wall already erected and potential future costs:
Repairs to the structure after vandalism and breaching attempts are another potential liability. The president and other senior officials have acknowledged in recent months that smugglers have sawed through the bollards in some locations, requiring welders and work crews to quickly patch the breaches. One former U.S. official with knowledge of the breaches said repairing the steel bollards costs between $5,000 and $10,000 per panel of fencing, depending on the location and terrain.
Trump told aides last year that he wanted the new barrier painted black, so the metal would absorb more heat and become hot to the touch, discouraging climbers. The administration spent $1 million to paint a one-mile span of fencing in California’s Imperial Valley, using U.S. troops to perform the labor." Keeping the entire structure coated in paint could have added hundreds of millions of dollars to the cost, and Border Patrol officials and the Army Corps of Engineers have tried to talk Trump out of his plan
Experts say a greater long-term risk is erosion damage along the structure’s concrete base, especially in western states where seasonal “monsoon” thunderstorms can dump large amounts of rain in short periods, turning dry creek beds into churning, fast-moving floodwaters that carry debris.
Highway engineers in those states reduce the risk of washouts by installing culverts to allow floodwaters to pass beneath roadways. But the Border Patrol cannot place culverts under the barrier, because smugglers and migrants could use them to crawl through.
Instead, border officials are planning to install hundreds of large storm gates to prevent floods from damaging the structure or toppling it. The gates, which are operated manually, are typically opened at the beginning of the summer monsoon season and remain open until the threat passes in late September.
At locations where the gates are already in place, they require crews with forklifts to open and close them, but calculating the additional costs from those operations is difficult because Trump administration officials have not said how many gates they plan to install or what style they will use.
With or without gates, erosion damage is a risk anywhere water flows in sudden, gushing volumes, said Ed Zarenski, a retired construction estimator and analyst in Massachusetts who worked on large projects including state prisons and corporate offices.
“You are placing something impenetrable across drainage area, so drainage will get dammed up in certain locations, and that will lead to underwash,” Zarenski said.
The weight and size of the barrier’s steel panels require the use of heavy equipment, and transporting that equipment to remote locations is costly, he said: “There will be locations where the foundation is undermined, and that can lead to toppling of the wall. Then you will need to bring in big machinery.”
I read the two articles I had access to and showed you that it was based on historical data.
The above are all valid points but where is the estimate of the maintenance costs associated iwth it?
You pulled that 750M number (which isn't even all that high and on the absolute top range) from the two other articles which I read and you obviously didn't realize it was based on historical data.
So I suggest maybe you read the articles.
The Fox article literally laid out "MAINTENANCE ESTIMATES" for Trump's new wall. It isn't based on historical data. It's literally estimates for the cost of maintaining that specific wall.
I mean literally in the WAPO article it mentions "Keeping the entire structure coated in paint could have added hundreds of millions of dollars to the cost." And that is just paint..
And 750 million is indeed high and not some "low maintenance" fixture like you are pretending.
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Every single estimate since its an unknown will always use historical data as a base case and adjust on that. That is literally how these things are done.
Maintenance costs of a few hundred million is a drop in the bucket which also adds jobs (as you mentioned with border patrol). The amount of benefit gained from diverting flow outweighs those costs my multiple orders of magnitude.
You don't estimate maintenance costs based on different materials and applications. Literally no one does that.
But it doesn't. And as stated, illegals are cutting through portions or simply going over it.
And you fail to mention the fact that future POTUS's and Congresses don't have to allocate funds for the maintenance of it. What will end up happening is that in 20 years, it will be a huge rusty eye sore that continues to do nothing to actually deter illegals.
And you learn from experience and adjust. The first iteration is never perfect but its better than a wide open border that is IMPOSSIBLE to manage.
Inflation doesn't go where it does without unfettered immigration which the wall helps stop.
Don't need to spend as much on services and therefore not as much money the governemnt needs to allocate to things like healthcare and welfare.
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Enough staff and technology and it is not impossible to manage. The first thing they have to do is stop this catch and release BS that has largely driven the surge we have seen the last 3+ years.