Rosario DFA, Eli White Recalled

[Enscheff]

Is it safe to say AA absolutely blew it at the trade deadline? How about the Murphy trade? I still miss Bill. Ha

Injuries...I get it. But there is zero fire I see out there.

AA is not above reproach.

The Olson trade was fine, while the extension was definitely questionable…just make sure to stay logically consistent with your views on Olson now and back then.

The Murphy trade was always questionable because we knew Contreras was very good and very young. Extending a catcher into his 30s was even worse, and again, folks who loved it then can’t dump on it now.

The Kelenic trade was a readable gamble in a controllable everyday player. But just because we are seeing pretty much the worst case healthy scenario doesn’t suddenly make that gamble any less sound…it just means it didn’t pan out yet. And again, folks loved it then, so they can’t dump on it now.

Then the rest of AA’s moves have been pretty darn solid. Sale and Lopez were master strokes that people for some reason aren’t acknowledging. Soler is a low end impact bat, and he was acquired by giving up almost nothing except cash, and they managed to stay under the highest luxury penalty.

Not to mention all the other extensions have mostly been pretty great.

If someone told you another GM got sale and Lopez, then flopped on the Kelenic gamble, you’d call it a success. It’s the injuries causing people to think less of the success rate of those moves.

 

[50PoundHead]

AA is not above reproach.

The Olson trade was fine, while the extension was definitely questionable…just make sure to stay logically consistent with your views on Olson now and back then.

The Murphy trade was always questionable because we knew Contreras was very good and very young. Extending a catcher into his 30s was even worse, and again, folks who loved it then can’t dump on it now.

The Kelenic trade was a readable gamble in a controllable everyday player. But just because we are seeing pretty much the worst case healthy scenario doesn’t suddenly make that gamble any less sound…it just means it didn’t pan out yet. And again, folks loved it then, so they can’t dump on it now.

Then the rest of AA’s moves have been pretty darn solid. Sale and Lopez were master strokes that people for some reason aren’t acknowledging. Soler is a low end impact bat, and he was acquired by giving up almost nothing except cash, and they managed to stay under the highest luxury penalty.

Not to mention all the other extensions have mostly been pretty great.

If someone told you another GM got sale and Lopez, then flopped on the Kelenic gamble, you’d call it a success. It’s the injuries causing people to think less of the success rate of those moves.

From my perspective, there are two parts to the Kelenic equation. When I first saw the headline, I thought "Good buy-low gamble," but when I read the rest of the article and saw the magnitude of the contracts they had to assume in order to acquire Kelenic, I thought "WTF?" The Braves shuffled around a lot of bad contracts, but the bottom line is they are paying guys who are playing for other teams. Unless you are the Dodgers, Mets, or Yankees, that's really not something you can do. The bad contracts put the Braves within an indoor voice of the next CBT level and that really constricted what could be done at the deadline.

One can never anticipate the level of key injuries the Braves have endured this year and maybe all the moves in the world wouldn't make that much of a difference in the end. I just think the Kelenic move isn't completely consistent with the contention window. That said, he's been asked to do a lot more than what was anticipated due to the injuries. If everyone's healthy and Kelenic hits between 15 and 20 HRs out of the 8th or 9th spot in the line-up, no one is griping. I think he's still got a shot and the fiscal implications evaporate after this season, but there's no doubt that all that dead money has put a crimp in the Braves' ability to shore up some weakneses and make some adjustments to the injury situation.

 

[bravesfanMatt]

AA is not above reproach.

The Olson trade was fine, while the extension was definitely questionable…just make sure to stay logically consistent with your views on Olson now and back then.

The Murphy trade was always questionable because we knew Contreras was very good and very young. Extending a catcher into his 30s was even worse, and again, folks who loved it then can’t dump on it now.

The Kelenic trade was a readable gamble in a controllable everyday player. But just because we are seeing pretty much the worst case healthy scenario doesn’t suddenly make that gamble any less sound…it just means it didn’t pan out yet. And again, folks loved it then, so they can’t dump on it now.

Then the rest of AA’s moves have been pretty darn solid. Sale and Lopez were master strokes that people for some reason aren’t acknowledging. Soler is a low end impact bat, and he was acquired by giving up almost nothing except cash, and they managed to stay under the highest luxury penalty.

Not to mention all the other extensions have mostly been pretty great.

If someone told you another GM got sale and Lopez, then flopped on the Kelenic gamble, you’d call it a success. It’s the injuries causing people to think less of the success rate of those moves.

I mostly agree with this except the Soler trade. I think it adds another headache to the offseason because I just don't see Soler aging well having to play the OF everyday.. so he basically has to decline Ozuna (not happening).. trade Ozuna (meh could happen, but probably not) or somehow trade Soler. I think there were better fits for now and the future that also cost nothing and wouldn't have put the team over the 3rd tier...

I also think the Murphy extension was fine after the original sin.. basically he pushed all in by giving away all his catchers that weren't old. So, although I hate that trade, he basically had to extend him.. maybe he thought he could extend him for cheaper before the trade, but being painted into the corner went a bit longer on the deal than he had hoped.

 

[Hudson2]

I think Murphy would be fine if he was playing 5 days a week. Hard to get consistent and stay that way when you are basically platooned.

 

[msstate7]

I think Murphy would be fine if he was playing 5 days a week. Hard to get consistent and stay that way when you are basically platooned.

The day on/day off for Murphy started in August last season....

Murphy pre-August 2023: 144 wrc+
Murphy august 2023 until now: 88 wrc+
Murphy is a career 116 wrc+

We broke him with the platoon

 

[bravesfanMatt]

The day on/day off for Murphy started in August last season....

Murphy pre-August 2023: 144 wrc+
Murphy august 2023 until now: 88 wrc+
Murphy is a career 116 wrc+

We broke him with the platoon

I am pretty sure it was the atlanta meth and the hot summers that broke him.

 

[Deester11]

The day on/day off for Murphy started in August last season....

Murphy pre-August 2023: 144 wrc+
Murphy august 2023 until now: 88 wrc+
Murphy is a career 116 wrc+

We broke him with the platoon

Great. AA traded for a platoon catcher when i bytched about giving up Bill. Can't help watching Bill and being irritated. That bad umpiring made his framing look elite. In any case..this team should have AA looking at his approach just a little. I believe in him. But as stated..he ain't above fking up!

 

[Hudson2]

Great. AA traded for a platoon catcher when i bytched about giving up Bill. Can't help watching Bill and being irritated. That bad umpiring made his framing look elite. In any case..this team should have AA looking at his approach just a little. I believe in him. But as stated..he ain't above fking up!

If Bill was here he would be platooning with TDA just like Murphy is. Snit loves it for some reason.

 

[Deester11]

If Bill was here he would be platooning with TDA just like Murphy is. Snit loves it for some reason.

Then that world make him a bigger Snit than I take him for. I can't wrap my head around a catcher who caught 148 games in Oakland the year before..come to Atlanta and catch half. Murphy is a streak player. Who read the room on this trade?

 

[Hudson2]

Then that world make him a bigger Snit than I take him for. I can't wrap my head around a catcher who caught 148 games in Oakland the year before..come to Atlanta and catch half. Murphy is a streak player. Who read the room on this trade?

AA is an old school manager and likes to manage without interference imo. He isn’t super analytical so he just plays it by ear. And AA doesnt just wanna over step a guy that has been in the organization for 40 years. It would all run more smooth with a different manager who is a little more on the analytics side.