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[thethe]

I can't find where it says these abortions are to be tax supported either.

I just assume Sturg just makes **** up all the time now so I wouldn't be shocked.

I looked at ballotpedia as well but didn't want to assume that was complete.

 

[sturg33]

That's not what the 4th amendment says. It's not abortion until birth.

"No law shall prohibit, penalize, delay, or restrict abortion before viability or when necessary to protect the patient’s health"

https://ballotpedia.org/Florida_Amendment_4,_Right_to_Abortion_Initiative_(2024)

That is precisely was allowing abortion until birth looks like. There is no definition of "viability" and there are no restrictions to what doctors deem as protecting "patient's health." This is reinstating Roe at the state level.

I can't find where it says these abortions are to be tax supported either.

Here is a summary of how RDS got confirmation that this allowance will inevitably lead to tax funded abortions

https://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local...da-abortion-amendment-faces-backlash/3362943/

Representatives of Gov. Ron DeSantis’ office and the Florida House pushed to include information in the statement about issues such as the possibility that passage of the amendment could lead to Medicaid-funded abortions and spur a wide range of costly lawsuits. Those are issues that amendment opponents have cited as they fight the proposal.

Ultimately, with the help of the panel’s representative from the Florida Senate, DeSantis’ office and the House got information they sought into the statement.

In part, the statement says there is “uncertainty about whether the amendment will require the state to subsidize abortions with public funds. Litigation to resolve those and other uncertainties will result in additional costs to the state government and state courts that will negatively impact the state budget. An increase in abortions may negatively affect the growth of state and local revenues over time. Because the fiscal impact of increased abortions on state and local revenues and costs cannot be estimated with precision, the total impact of the proposed amendment is indeterminate.”

Chris Spencer, DeSantis’ representative on the panel, known as the Financial Impact Estimating Conference, said “protracted” lawsuits about abortion issues would be inevitable if the amendment passes. That could include lawsuits about whether Medicaid should pay for abortions and which health-care providers would be able to perform abortions, he said.

Because these will be constitutionally protected "healthcare procedures," leftists will insist that Medicare is required to cover it - and they will win



Look - yall can make your arguments that Trump falling in line with the abortionists is good strategy... but pease don't pretzel yourself into watering down what this amendment allows.

 

[sturg33]

I just assume Sturg just makes **** up all the time now so I wouldn't be shocked.

I looked at ballotpedia as well but didn't want to assume that was complete.

do you have any evidence of me "making **** up"

 

[nsacpi]

do you have any evidence of me "making **** up"

Its all over these boards. But if you want a starting point I recommend the Paul Pelosi thread.

 

[sturg33]

Its all over these boards. But if you want a starting point I recommend the Paul Pelosi thread.

questioning a story isn't "making **** up"

i questioned jussie smollet and russia collusion and masks and bat viruses

also - Paul was probably ****ing that dude

 

[Garmel]

That is precisely was allowing abortion until birth looks like. There is no definition of "viability" and there are no restrictions to what doctors deem as protecting "patient's health." This is reinstating Roe at the state level.




Here is a summary of how RDS got confirmation that this allowance will inevitably lead to tax funded abortions

https://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local...da-abortion-amendment-faces-backlash/3362943/



Because these will be constitutionally protected "healthcare procedures," leftists will insist that Medicare is required to cover it - and they will win



Look - yall can make your arguments that Trump falling in line with the abortionists is good strategy... but pease don't pretzel yourself into watering down what this amendment allows.

It could but at the same time you're making leaps into what may or might not happen. A lot of liberal states don't even have Medicaid covering abortions except in extreme situations.

Trump said that he thinks 6 weeks is too short. However, he has made no commitment to this bill and you are assuming that he is.

 

[sturg33]

And to top it off your position on abortion is not grounded in values or faith. It’s personal and selfish because of your life experiences. If you had no issues getting pregnant and having kids (you disclosed this) you wouldn’t be this extreme. Just another example of your continued selfishness.

quick search finds a post of mine 2 years before I was "radicalized" and my position "extreme" before our first pregnancy

So let me ask who thinks it should be illegal a few questions. At what point in the pregnancy should it be illegal. What type of penalty do you want for an abortion. What do you do about people who go to Canada or Mexico and get an abortion? What about abortions taking place in international waters? Would you support criminilizing people aiding them to get to another country to get abortions? Are we going to not let women travel overseas while pregnant?

1. When the pregnancy is known

2. Up to the states... but what is the most common penalty for killing a baby?

3. I dont know how we currently treat people who go to Canada to kill someone... but I'd say we can start there

4. Yes

5. Why would I stop a woman from traveling while pregnant? Thats dumb

ill go back further in archives where I argued with goldy and julio that abortion is murder, and there should be no exceptions - which is the position I've held long before Donald Trump came on to the scene or I was married or expecting a child

 

[sturg33]

It could but at the same time you're making leaps into what may or might not happen. A lot of liberal states don't even have Medicaid covering abortions except in extreme situations.

Trump said that he thinks 6 weeks is too short. However, he has made no commitment to this bill and you are assuming that he is.

right now his option is 6 weeks, or no restrictions. his response to the question of how he will vote on this

Trump: "well I think the 6 weeks is too short. it has to be more time. and I told them that I want more weeks...

Reporter: "you will be voting in favor of the amendment?"

Trump: "I am gonna be voting that we need more than 6 weeks."


total betrayl

 

[sturg33]

But does Sturg actually care about life?

What about poor kids in the projects that don't have food to eat? Why don't you support welfare?

How about illegals from the third world. Why don't you support endless migration?

Oh thats right - You're a fraud.

is it your position that me rejecting the stated goals of communism evidence that I do not support life?

 

[Garmel]

right now his option is 6 weeks, or no restrictions. his response to the question of how he will vote on this

Trump: "well I think the 6 weeks is too short. it has to be more time. and I told them that I want more weeks...

Reporter: "you will be voting in favor of the amendment?"

Trump: "I am gonna be voting that we need more than 6 weeks."


total betrayl

That's still not a solid commitment. How about wait and see?

 

[sturg33]

You don’t know what MAGA is about if you think we are NOW cheering for it.

Man - where the hell did this guy go? From the 2019 golden era of economics!

'Free' housing / 'Free' college is such a misnomer.

Nothing is free.

Its a damn shame that such a large portion of this country has completely ditched the idea of personal accountability.

These candidates are fake. Thats the whole point. Its all about whats popular. There are no principled candidates. When you change your position in less than 24 hours you didny really believe in it in the first place but felt the need to publicize it on live television.

The strategy is either shipping votes in from the third world or buying votes with short term sugar that will end quickly.

Easy to spend others money

Of course there are caps as there would be with any risk based lending market. My argument is that the caps should be lowered both in amounts per year and in the aggregate.

That is why I have said in numerous posts now that they need to be LOWERED.

Its simple economics. As the money supply increases inflation follows. Its the easiest way to address the cost issue of this dilemma.

Advocating policies that allocate money from one class to the other is very clearly a vote buying strategy.

What did any of that even mean?

Your candidates support socialism. Socialism is what is happening in venezuela.

Or how about lines and sub par health care in those countries? Should we pist stories about the wretched conidtion the uk health care system is in now.

that was just a few random pages. now - government funded solutions are the answer! all it took was Trump saying so to make it true

The truest thing Trump ever said was that he could shoot someone on 5th avenue and wouldn't lose a supporter. maybe the lifelong liberal is smarter than he looks. he - like all other liberals - understand their base are mindless zombies

 

[sturg33]

That's still not a solid commitment. How about wait and see?

...wut

what am i to take from his comments? wait and see on what? is he going to take us in the voting booth?

theres a chance he walks this back bc i hope he understands he pissing off more of his base than he is gaining from the cat ladies. but the dude is a pro-abortion guy. always has been. always will be. and you guys just cheering him on are responsible for the party sprinting left because you refuse to hold him accountable for anything

 

[Garmel]

...wut

what am i to take from his comments? wait and see on what? is he going to take us in the voting booth?

theres a chance he walks this back bc i hope he understands he pissing off more of his base than he is gaining from the cat ladies. but the dude is a pro-abortion guy. always has been. always will be. and you guys just cheering him on are responsible for the party sprinting left because you refuse to hold him accountable for anything

I wouldn't say I'm cheering him on but he is left of center on a few issues. I may not approve but I can deal with that.

You would call Reagan a socialist because he was the left of center on a few issues and he was a good president.

Like I said you're free to vote for people who are perfect in your eyes like Ron Paul but you'll achieve nothing.

 

[sturg33]

I wouldn't say I'm cheering him on but he is left of center on a few issues. I may not approve but I can deal with that.

You would call Reagan a socialist because he was the left of center on a few issues and he was a good president.

Like I said you're free to vote for people who are perfect in your eyes like Ron Paul but you'll achieve nothing.

ok you're getting closer to reality

how much leftism should I accept? "being not as bad as Kamala" isn't enough for me.

Do you have any limits for him?

 

[sturg33]

hahahahaha

gotta see how it polls! i suppose he needs more information - not on the ballot initiative of course - but how it will affect his popularity

Trump is making a calculus that he will win more childless cat ladies than he loses pro life conservatives from his base

I think he's wrong. And if/when Trump loses, I look forward to the day his cult blames pro life voters more than they blame the candidate who betrayed them

 

[thethe]

is it your position that me rejecting the stated goals of communism evidence that I do not support life?

Well your “pro-life” stance is not about life it’s about you don’t like abortion. You can’t say you’re this principled pro life person and not actually care about life outside of the womb. Or you could be someone who lives in reality and be against abortion but understand the world around you doesn’t think that way and pushing what you do results in more abortikn.

Ever going to address how abortion measures fair in conservative states? Of course not. How about how the country is basically 60-65 pro abortion? Do these things matter when crafting strategy or will you just continue to be immovable and lose ground at all times?

 

[thethe]

Man - where the hell did this guy go? From the 2019 golden era of economics!


















that was just a few random pages. now - government funded solutions are the answer! all it took was Trump saying so to make it true

The truest thing Trump ever said was that he could shoot someone on 5th avenue and wouldn't lose a supporter. maybe the lifelong liberal is smarter than he looks. he - like all other liberals - understand their base are mindless zombies

You call everything socialism. I’ve been about helping Americans from day 1 by booting illegals draining the system.

It all goes back to your “pro-life” stance fraudulent as you’re willing to let American children starve just because their parents aren’t successful.

 

[thethe]

hahahahaha

gotta see how it polls! i suppose he needs more information - not on the ballot initiative of course - but how it will affect his popularity

Trump is making a calculus that he will win more childless cat ladies than he loses pro life conservatives from his base

I think he's wrong. And if/when Trump loses, I look forward to the day his cult blames pro life voters more than they blame the candidate who betrayed them

This statement has to be made because idiots like you push lies about what Trump said. That’s the real shame 2 months before an essential election. But hey - you can bitch like a child all day and if we ever live in a world where Trump loses you can see what happens to abortion in the county.

 

[thethe]

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Chaplin of the pro life movement? Now back to an expensive gala in the name of fighting abortion!

 

[thethe]

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This women isn’t pro life - she is anti trump.

All this crap is is residual from the bitter RDS influencer campaign. If you were actually pro life and saw the two options being Trump or Harris you’d shut your mouth.

But again sturg - are you pro life or just anti abortion?