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sturg33 said:
You used to describe the Bush's and Romney's of the world as "squishy republicans." I always assumed that meant you thought they were too liberal, and always gave in to the left. I now realize you meant that as they were not liberal enough. Looking at the Bush years, which of these government programs do you disagree with, and why is it not enough

State Children's Health Insurance Program (SCHIP) Expansion: Although initially enacted in 1997 under President Clinton, President Bush signed legislation in 2007 to renew and expand the SCHIP program. SCHIP provides health insurance to children in families with incomes too high to qualify for Medicaid but too low to afford private coverage.

Healthy Marriage and Responsible Fatherhood Initiatives: As part of the welfare reform efforts, Bush promoted programs encouraging family stability, marriage, and fatherhood to foster environments beneficial to children's upbringing. The administration believed strengthening families would positively impact children's well-being.

President's Emergency Plan for AIDS Relief (PEPFAR): While primarily focused on combating HIV/AIDS globally, this initiative supported orphans and vulnerable children affected by the disease, providing health, education, and social services to help improve their lives.

Reading First: As part of the NCLB Act, this initiative focused on improving literacy and reading comprehension among young students, particularly those in low-performing schools.

Individuals with Disabilities Education Act (IDEA) Reauthorization (2004): The Bush administration reauthorized and updated IDEA, emphasizing accountability and improving educational results for children with disabilities, ensuring they received appropriate public education services.

Child and Dependent Care Tax Credit (CDCTC) Expansion

The Bush administration expanded the Child and Dependent Care Tax Credit, which allows working parents to claim a credit for child care expenses. This credit helps reduce the tax burden for families with children under 13 who need child care so parents can work or look for employment.

Under Bush, the maximum percentage of eligible expenses for this credit was increased, providing more relief for low- and moderate-income families.

Child Tax Credit Expansion

The Child Tax Credit was increased during the Bush administration as part of the 2001 and 2003 tax cuts. The maximum credit was raised from $500 per child to $1,000, which provided significant financial relief for families. The credit was also made partially refundable, which benefited low-income families who owed little or no income tax.

This expansion played a significant role in reducing child poverty by offering direct financial assistance to families with children.

Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF) Reauthorization

While TANF was initially created in 1996, Bush reauthorized it in 2005 and included provisions to promote work, marriage, and family stability. This program provides cash assistance to low-income families with children and includes funding for child care, making it easier for parents to work and support their families.

The reauthorization included measures to improve access to child care services for low-income working families, increasing funding for child care subsidies.

Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP) Changes

While Bush did not introduce SNAP (formerly known as food stamps), his administration made improvements to simplify the application process and encourage participation among eligible low-income families, many of whom were families with children.

The Farm Security and Rural Investment Act of 2002, signed by Bush, reauthorized the Food Stamp Program and expanded access to food assistance, benefiting millions of children in low-income households.

School Lunch and Breakfast Program

The Bush administration supported the continuation and expansion of the National School Lunch Program (NSLP) and the School Breakfast Program, which provide free or reduced-price meals to children from low-income families. These programs ensure that children receive nutritious meals during the school day, helping to reduce hunger and improve learning outcomes.

And let's never forget about the infamous No Child Left Behind law
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See a whole lot of extensions paraded as bush republican policies.
 
sturg33 said:
Can you answer the question?
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I don’t believe that there was ever any interest in actually helping that Americans are prioritized in economic decisions. Everything you have as an example of it were primarily extensions of existing operating procedures. Maybe if you came up with anything real you’d have a point.

The countries dynamics also changed dramatically after the 08 crash to where the divide is making the future of the country shaky.
 
And also - if you don't mind... I've asked before but never got an answer.

What do you mean by "squishy republican"

I used to think that meant not actually conservative but clearly I was too low iq to understand. Can you elaborate
 
thethe said:
I don’t believe that there was ever any interest in actually helping that Americans are prioritized in economic decisions. Everything you have as an example of it were primarily extensions of existing operating procedures. Maybe if you came up with anything real you’d have a point.

The countries dynamics also changed dramatically after the 08 crash to where the divide is making the future of the country shaky.
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Can you show me the Trump policies in his first term that was more friendly than. The Bush policies?
 
sturg33 said:
And also - if you don't mind... I've asked before but never got an answer.

What do you mean by "squishy republican"

I used to think that meant not actually conservative but clearly I was too low iq to understand. Can you elaborate
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When did I say squishy republicans last?
 
sturg33 said:
Can you show me the Trump policies in his first term that was more friendly than. The Bush policies?
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Real wages grew at a much higher rate for non supervisory workers than at any point in decades.

Median income also great under Trump at a higher rate as well.

Bush like most republicans were good for wealthy people for sure.
 
sturg33 said:
Can you show me the Trump policies in his first term that was more friendly than. The Bush policies?
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Real wages grew at a much higher rate for non supervisory workers than at any point in decades.

Median income also great under Trump at a higher rate as well.

Bush like most republicans were good for wealthy people for sure.
 
thethe said:
Real wages grew at a much higher rate for non supervisory workers than at any point in decades.

Median income also great under Trump at a higher rate as well.

Bush like most republicans were good for wealthy people for sure.
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Wait wait wait

Are you saying that low taxes, tarrifs, and regulations are better for people and lead to better outcomes for families?

Maybe I'm confused your position. Was Bush top heavy handed on government programs to help families with children?
 
sturg33 said:
Wait wait wait

Are you saying that low taxes, tarrifs, and regulations are better for people and lead to better outcomes for families?

Maybe I'm confused your position. Was Bush top heavy handed on government programs to help families with children?
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Low taxes and regulations are great.

Are you now describing trumps term as a low tariff period? In comparison to whom?
 
sturg33 said:
Man I must be losing it.

Is Romney a squishy republican? If so, why? If not, why?
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Just trying to piece together tonight’s insanity from your end.

Yes - as proven my Romneys actions such as marching with BLM the legacy Republican always bent the knee to the lefts social justice nonsense.

I guess you feel Romney is an example of a strong leader?
 
thethe said:
Low taxes and regulations are great.

Are you now describing trumps term as a low tariff period? In comparison to whom?
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Sorry. My low iq has me confused

Earlier you said Bush was anti family

I posted many examples of where Bush pushed government programs that supposedly supported the family

Can you confirm, are you against those programs and would rather support a free market that enriches people to make their own choices? Or did those programs not go far enough?

I ask bc you specifically said how the party is no longer the party of Bush when it comes to family
 
sturg33 said:
Sorry. My low iq has me confused

Earlier you said Bush was anti family

I posted many examples of where Bush pushed government programs that supposedly supported the family

Can you confirm, are you against those programs and would rather support a free market that enriches people to make their own choices? Or did those programs not go far enough?

I ask bc you specifically said how the party is no longer the party of Bush when it comes to family
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Which policies out of the listing you gave which weren’t just extensions of the existing operating model that be assumed?
 
thethe said:
Just trying to piece together tonight’s insanity from your end.

Yes - as proven my Romneys actions such as marching with BLM the legacy Republican always bent the knee to the lefts social justice nonsense.

I guess you feel Romney is an example of a strong leader?
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No I think Romney is a liberal piece of **** who I've never voted for.

I used to think we agreed. You called him squishy

But now it appears you think the problem with republicans is they aren't liberal enough

So I'm admittedly confused as today's maga position
 
thethe said:
Which policies out of the listing you gave which weren’t just extensions of the existing operating model that be assumed?
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I'm asking you very directly which of those actions from the Bush administration you oppose, and whether your criticism of Bush is that he did not go far enough

This isn't complicated.
 
sturg33 said:
No I think Romney is a liberal piece of **** who I've never voted for.

I used to think we agreed. You called him squishy

But now it appears you think the problem with republicans is they aren't liberal enough

So I'm admittedly confused as today's maga position
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MAGA has always been socially conservative and economically liberal when.

People like Romney are economically conservative and bend the knee to the left in all social issues.

So yeah - the exact opposite from legacy republicans.
 
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