Second ('Third') Trump Presidency Thread

sturg33 said:
And we shouldn't being trying to make a central government program that works for "all Americans"

Here's the deal, life isn't fair. Poor people have it tougher than rich people. The answer to that is to not create a horrific bloated central system that makes everything much worse for everyone - even if it might bail out a few people
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Well I prefer to live in a world where the divide doesn't continually grow to the point where to have a safe life you need private security.

Becuase as this ****show continues to progress that is what we will end up having to do.

Fortunately for those of us that are able to make money that is an option but it should have to be.
 
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Lol at idiots that think Jon Stewart is nothing more than a leftist hack.
 
sturg33 said:
I frankly don't know what it would cost if the system was operating effectively. It might cost $50 but a 30 min visit. But you're also not paying $300 a month for an Obamacare health insurance policy, are you?

Now there is so much bloat in the system because people DO have insurance policies and they do use them. Got a little fever? Let's go to the doctor to get checked out. That adds so much bloat and costs to the system.

Insurance isn't designed for small things. I don't have car insurance for when my headlights go out. When my headlights go out - I go and buy new headlights, out of pocket. $50 on to the next day
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And by the way, in the system i described above, we wouldn't be paying medicare taxes. So someone on 50k salary would get an extra $750 a year. They could break their arm 3 times and still come out ahead!
 
thethe said:
Well I prefer to live in a world where the divide doesn't continually grow to the point where to have a safe life you need private security.

Becuase as this ****show continues to progress that is what we will end up having to do.

Fortunately for those of us that are able to make money that is an option but it should have to be.
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You seem to fail at understanding that we are heasing towards that BECAUSE the government programs has made everyone poorer, and shouldn't be a reason to EXPAND on them as you seem to want to do
 
sturg33 said:
You seem to fail at understanding that we are heasing towards that BECAUSE the government programs has made everyone poorer, and shouldn't be a reason to EXPAND on them as you seem to want to do
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Governemtn corruption and waste for sure.
 
The rise in markups from increased business concentration (less competitive markets) during the past 25 years amounts to $16,000 per year per family of four. If we wanted to improve the average person's standard of living there is no better or more efficient way than to enforce our antitrust laws.
 
nsacpi said:
The rise in markups from increased business concentration (less competitive markets) during the past 25 years amounts to $16,000 per year per family of four. If we wanted to improve the average person's standard of living there is no better or more efficient way than to enforce our antitrust laws.
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End stage capitalism. A full merger of priavte/governemtn entities to ensure that the welathy stay wealthy.
 
thethe said:
This type of gotcha is confusing - Who is saying that hte current iteration of governemtn is the one we should have?
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Because this is inevitable with inefficient, corrupt governments managing multi-trillion dollar entitlement programs, and you should be screaming to end them not to expand them
 
thethe said:
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Lol at idiots that think Jon Stewart is nothing more than a leftist hack.
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This isn’t even remotely a gotcha moment. Nobody is accusing Harris of not ever doing progressive things, nor of being socially conservative. But her campaign was generally not prioritizing this kind of messaging and Stewart is right that Dems spent a lot of time this cycle backpedaling. Where I think they went wrong was the backpedaling to appeal to voters that don’t exist, while simultaneously giving lip service to those same progressive views to appeal to their base.

Where I give the right a lot of credit politically is they always play on offense. Even when they control the government, they play offense. Even if it’s in response to some random citizen or MSNBC personality saying something dumb, they play offense. Even if they know it’s not actually happening, they play offense. Dems backpedal. They played offense for 3 weeks when Biden dropped out, got everybody excited, then promptly stopped playing offense and went back to courting the people who absolutely did not follow Liz Cheney to save democracy or some ****.
 
sturg33 said:
Because this is inevitable with inefficient, corrupt governments managing multi-trillion dollar entitlement programs, and you should be screaming to end them not to expand them
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Why isn't inevitable that capitalism leads ot this merge between private/governemtn entities?

I think there are lots of commons sense rules that could be institutued on both ends to ensure that doesn't happen so there is far less waste/fraud.
 
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Our current governemtn strucutre is an absolute joke. Nobody is arguing otherwise.
 
mqt said:
This isn’t even remotely a gotcha moment. Nobody is accusing Harris of not ever doing progressive things, nor of being socially conservative. But her campaign was generally not prioritizing this kind of messaging and Stewart is right that Dems spent a lot of time this cycle backpedaling. Where I think they went wrong was the backpedaling to appeal to voters that don’t exist, while simultaneously giving lip service to those same progressive views to appeal to their base.

Where I give the right a lot of credit politically is they always play on offense. Even when they control the government, they play offense. Even if it’s in response to some random citizen or MSNBC personality saying something dumb, they play offense. Even if they know it’s not actually happening, they play offense. Dems backpedal. They played offense for 3 weeks when Biden dropped out, got everybody excited, then promptly stopped playing offense and went back to courting the people who absolutely did not follow Liz Cheney to save democracy or some ****.
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Dems have spent the entire presidency pushing woke non stop down our throats. They had a tranny in the white house every week, and tranny leading the entire health department. She did say that trannys should have tax funded surgeries. She did her whole pronoun nonsense. It was constant shoved down our throats

They can not "campaign" on it, but it's ridiculous to imply that Republicans were wrong to tie them to it
 
thethe said:
Why isn't inevitable that capitalism leads ot this merge between private/governemtn entities?

I think there are lots of commons sense rules that could be institutued on both ends to ensure that doesn't happen so there is far less waste/fraud.
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This is a chicken and egg problem that you're misguided on.

Our government, through the calls from voters to create a program for everything, has gotten so enormous that companies must work with them to get ahead or survive, specifically in regulatory situations.

Slash the government. Make markets free. And capitalism is the most glorious thing that has ever existed.

What we have today is NOT capitalism
 
You can't spend years stuff trans ideology down our throats and expect the voters to forget.
 
sturg33 said:
This is a chicken and egg problem that you're misguided on.

Our government, through the calls from voters to create a program for everything, has gotten so enormous that companies must work with them to get ahead or survive, specifically in regulatory situations.

Slash the government. Make markets free. And capitalism is the most glorious thing that has ever existed.

What we have today is NOT capitalism
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Have you ever thought its that you are misguided on the problem?
 
sturg33 said:
Dems have spent the entire presidency pushing woke non stop down our throats. They had a tranny in the white house every week, and tranny leading the entire health department. She did say that trannys should have tax funded surgeries. She did her whole pronoun nonsense. It was constant shoved down our throats

They can not "campaign" on it, but it's ridiculous to imply that Republicans were wrong to tie them to it
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I think you misunderstood my point. The issue *is* that they are tied to it, but that they campaigned against themselves as a result. Republicans are good at making sure it’s not forgotten that they support progressive social policies. The Dems have been bad at doing the same to conservative social policies in no small part because they’re trying to appeal to centrists. The Republicans just say “**** that, we’re right” on those issues and attack. Dems tried to have it both ways and it’s been ineffective.
 
thethe said:
Have you ever thought its that you are misguided on the problem?
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Yes, and have looked deeply inward many times

The government has gotten so powerful and involved in so many things like regulations and subsidies, that companies are forced to play ball. That's why they spend millions on lobbyists and open offices in Northern VA, bc they know if they can get the right law passed, it makes them billions.

I've worked for warranty companies that spend millions to get the government to push regulations about limiting manufacturers warranties (making it easier for us to sell extended wareanties). I've worked at a major bank that spent billions lobbying the governent for complex financial regulations that kill small innovative financial competitors.

Wanna hear something crazy? My wife does lasink eye surgery. There is currently a push by the national optometrist organization (glasses/contacts), to lobby the FDA to say that lasik is harmful and dangerous. They are doing this to protect themselves bc they can't compete in the free market. And there's probably someone in the FDA who is willing to make that call if they are paid enough to do

That is not a capitalist problem, that is a government problem
 
mqt said:
I think you misunderstood my point. The issue *is* that they are tied to it, but that they campaigned against themselves as a result. Republicans are good at making sure it’s not forgotten that they support progressive social policies. The Dems have been bad at doing the same to conservative social policies in no small part because they’re trying to appeal to centrists. The Republicans just say “**** that, we’re right” on those issues and attack. Dems tried to have it both ways and it’s been ineffective.
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Sure. But it stupid for people like Stewart and prominent dems saying "Republicans made it an issue. Dems didn't even campaign on it!"

It's an issue bc of Dems making it an issue
 
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