Why Academics Leftists and Elitists Need to Treat Ordinary Americans With Respect

mqt said:
Correlation does not imply causation. I think the insulation from the real world contributes and have long agreed with you that college attendance and funding is dramatically bloated, but this does not directly imply that leftist ideology or higher education is becoming more violent or radical.
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I think that any leftist should see some alarm in a large portion of its base supporting cold blooded murder... and while we're at it, supporting pedophiles - or as they call it - MAPs
 
nsacpi said:
then you must understand how some see Brian Thompson in a similar light
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The difference seems to be that Sturg has more vitriol for Government and its collective response to COVID than Health Insurance and operates under the assumption that he’s objectively correct about that.
 
mqt said:
The difference seems to be that Sturg has more vitriol for Government and its collective response to COVID than Health Insurance and operates under the assumption that he’s objectively correct about that.
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The difference is I can point to crimes committed by Fauci that also led to deaths of hundreds of thousands of people.

You can't point to the crimes committed by mr. Thomas
 
sturg33 said:
then point me to his crimes
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i don't think either Thompson or Fauci are criminals

a fevered mind might convince itself that Thompson is responsible for some little girl's death because her treatment was denied or delayed...or convince itself Fauci is an international terrorist responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands
 
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sturg33 said:
I think that any leftist should see some alarm in a large portion of its base supporting cold blooded murder... and while we're at it, supporting pedophiles - or as they call it - MAPs
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I’m just not going to waste my energy worrying about how some dumb kids answered a yes/no question, even if they answered it poorly.
 
sturg33 said:
The difference is I can point to crimes committed by Fauci that also led to deaths of hundreds of thousands of people.

You can't point to the crimes committed by mr. Thomas
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I don’t support the deaths of either individual, but it’s telling that you are directly tying morality to written laws. I don’t think it’s radical Marxism to suggest that one person is more deserving of death than another. What makes murder immoral, but capital punishment moral in a way that isn’t purely ideological?
 
mqt said:
I don’t support the deaths of either individual, but it’s telling that you are directly tying morality to written laws. I don’t think it’s radical Marxism to suggest that one person is more deserving of death than another. What makes murder immoral, but capital punishment moral in a way that isn’t purely ideological?
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I don't associate morality with written laws actually. If you can point to something that Mr. Thomas actively did that resulted in killing someone, I'm all ears.
 
sturg33 said:
I don't associate morality with written laws actually. If you can point to something that Mr. Thomas actively did that resulted in killing someone, I'm all ears.
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His company while he was CEO began using AI that had a high error rate to deny claims. Can I point to a specific person? No. But that obviously harmed some people. Possibly even les to deaths. I don't think you want your insurance company using AI to judge your claims either.
 
cajunrevenge said:
His company while he was CEO began using AI that had a high error rate to deny claims. Can I point to a specific person? No. But that obviously harmed some people. Possibly even les to deaths. I don't think you want your insurance company using AI to judge your claims either.
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An insurance company denying a claim that they did not agree to cover is neither immoral or unethical, and is also not a death sentence.

If you can point to Mr. Thomas instructing his team to deny claims that they are contractually responsible for, I will join in the chorus that he should be punished
 
sturg33 said:
I don't associate morality with written laws actually. If you can point to something that Mr. Thomas actively did that resulted in killing someone, I'm all ears.
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I don’t believe either person actively did anything that resulted in killing someone, at least not directly. It’s part of why I don’t think either deserves/d to die. But you’ve regularly shown a willingness to applaud or advocate for draconian punishments for those that harm society in ways that are important to you. I support neither, and I think there’s a greater moral equivalence between your views and those that answered yes on that poll than you’re willing to accept.
 
mqt said:
I don’t believe either person actively did anything that resulted in killing someone, at least not directly. It’s part of why I don’t think either deserves/d to die. But you’ve regularly shown a willingness to applaud or advocate for draconian punishments for those that harm society in ways that are important to you. I support neither, and I think there’s a greater moral equivalence between your views and those that answered yes on that poll than you’re willing to accept.
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Dr. Fauci illegally funded dangerous GOF research; lied about it multiple times to congress; that research leads to the covid 19 creation; kills hundreds of thousands of people; of which Dr. Fauci intentionally lied to Americans that he admitted to; and has since lied to congress about his role yet again

Andrew Thomas was a CEO of a company that some phycho was mad at for reasons unknown
 
sturg33 said:
An insurance company denying a claim that they did not agree to cover is neither immoral or unethical, and is also not a death sentence.

If you can point to Mr. Thomas instructing his team to deny claims that they are contractually responsible for, I will join in the chorus that he should be punished
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So if anyone was harmed by actions taken by him that resulted in his company denying valid claims you agree he is not an innocent person? That's a goal post I am fine with.
 
sturg33 said:
Dr. Fauci illegally funded dangerous GOF research; lied about it multiple times to congress; that research leads to the covid 19 creation; kills hundreds of thousands of people; of which Dr. Fauci intentionally lied to Americans that he admitted to; and has since lied to congress about his role yet again

Andrew Thomas was a CEO of a company that some phycho was mad at for reasons unknown
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Look at you Judge and Jury.
 
sturg33 said:
Dr. Fauci illegally funded dangerous GOF research; lied about it multiple times to congress; that research leads to the covid 19 creation; kills hundreds of thousands of people; of which Dr. Fauci intentionally lied to Americans that he admitted to; and has since lied to congress about his role yet again

Andrew Thomas was a CEO of a company that some phycho was mad at for reasons unknown
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1) Fauci is alleged to have done these things. I don’t see you claiming Trump colluded with Russia, despite that also being driven by a House Committee report. My arguments aren’t really that anybody did or didn’t do any given thing, but that your reasoning is every bit as dependent on the honest investigation of partisan career politicians.

2) Even if entirely true, I would see Fauci and Thompson’s roles as simply figureheads for an already broken system. Fauci didn’t just press a big red instant pandemic button. Unless you went and got a virology degree, I suspect we both have a similarly limited view of how to effectively make new advances in defending against new viruses or to give as many people affordable, effective healthcare as we can. Which ultimately means you’re doing roughly the same thing when you advocate for Fauci going to Gitmo as someone advocating for the lawless killing of an insurance executive. Both are wrong, you just think you’re morally superior.
 
mqt said:
1) Fauci is alleged to have done these things. I don’t see you claiming Trump colluded with Russia, despite that also being driven by a House Committee report. My arguments aren’t really that anybody did or didn’t do any given thing, but that your reasoning is every bit as dependent on the honest investigation of partisan career politicians.

2) Even if entirely true, I would see Fauci and Thompson’s roles as simply figureheads for an already broken system. Fauci didn’t just press a big red instant pandemic button. Unless you went and got a virology degree, I suspect we both have a similarly limited view of how to effectively make new advances in defending against new viruses or to give as many people affordable, effective healthcare as we can. Which ultimately means you’re doing roughly the same thing when you advocate for Fauci going to Gitmo as someone advocating for the lawless killing of an insurance executive. Both are wrong, you just think you’re morally superior.
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as a thought experiment - let's say Fauci intentionally funded the creation of the covid 19 virus; and intentionally lied about, and that was settled fact. What should his punishment be, if any?

I also don't think "colluding with Russia" (whatever that means) is an offense worthy of outrage. politicians and business people work with all sorts of countries all the time to advance their interest. I'm more outraged that Obama and Biden "colluded" with Ukraine to launch a proxy war that has cost us hundreds of billions and cost tens of thousands of lives
 
cajunrevenge said:
So if anyone was harmed by actions taken by him that resulted in his company denying valid claims you agree he is not an innocent person? That's a goal post I am fine with.
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If anyone was harmed because Thomas intentionally made an action that was outside of his contractual obligations, I would agree
 
So if he instituted the use of AI and that AI wrongly denied someone coverage who then suffered because of it you would label that how?
 
cajunrevenge said:
So if he instituted the use of AI and that AI wrongly denied someone coverage who then suffered because of it you would label that how?
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I would label it as a poor business decision that needs to be rectified

If he instructed the AI to deny claims that were legitimate, I would label him guilty
 
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