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Despite our many disagreements, I don’t actually think you’re stupid enough to not understand this so maybe ask fewer stupid questions.

You claim DEI hiring is a good thing but then get offended if someone is accused of being a DEI hire.

I don't know anything about this person. But I know we have many people who got hired bc their skin color and genitalia (Katanji Jackson, Kamala Harris, Jean-Pierre, etc) and it leads to horrific outcomes
 
The FBI (and law enforcement generally) always slow-walk terror attacks in the early stages. Right or wrong, it’s certainly not her race or gender causing this response.

But this person specifically said it's not a terrorist event, then 20 min later the fbi corrected that
 
Ok cool. Rile yourself up about it after all that’s the real tragedy here. Lol

I don’t blame you for finding more fault in a random Twitter account suggesting she’s inept vs self reflecting on the why the event happened in the first place

As it turns out, I find more fault in the murder of multiple people by a violent criminal, and I do think the ****ing terror attack is the real tragedy. But if someone is going to casually be racist for their million person audience, I think it’s also reasonable to call out that racism.
 
You claim DEI hiring is a good thing but then get offended if someone is accused of being a DEI hire.

I don't know anything about this person. But I know we have many people who got hired bc their skin color and genitalia (Katanji Jackson, Kamala Harris, Jean-Pierre, etc) and it leads to horrific outcomes

It’s being used pejoratively to suggest that the only reason for an FBI agent doing standard FBI ****ery is because she’s unqualified because she’s a black woman. That’s it, that’s the only reason those letters are in the tweet. This is just woke racism.
 
It’s being used pejoratively to suggest that the only reason for an FBI agent doing standard FBI ****ery is because she’s unqualified because she’s a black woman. That’s it, that’s the only reason those letters are in the tweet. This is just woke racism.

Sounds like you agree that DEI hiring is an awful practice as it implies like of qualifications.

Progress
 
Sounds like you agree that DEI hiring is an awful practice as it implies like of qualifications.

Progress

It does not imply a lack of qualifications on its own. People still need to look at a person’s skin color or gender and assume on their own that the person was less qualified simply because of those factors for it to imply that. When that person making that implication is running a prominent “news” account, I think that’s a bad thing.
 
It does not imply a lack of qualifications on its own. People still need to look at a person’s skin color or gender and assume on their own that the person was less qualified simply because of those factors for it to imply that. When that person making that implication is running a prominent “news” account, I think that’s a bad thing.

Either DEI hiring is a good thing or its an insulting thing.

I think its insulting. Sounds like you agree
 
Either DEI hiring is a good thing or its an insulting thing.

I think it’s insulting. Sounds like you agree

No, me agreeing with you that the term DEI was used to insult someone does not mean that I agree with the false dichotomy you just set up. You can have effective DEI initiatives that are good and not insulting. I don’t think a lot of people actually get it right, but that’s a much different argument than whether or not it’s racist to call a person you know nothing about beyond her race and gender a DEI hire.
 
No, me agreeing with you that the term DEI was used to insult someone does not mean that I agree with the false dichotomy you just set up. You can have effective DEI initiatives that are good and not insulting. I don’t think a lot of people actually get it right, but that’s a much different argument than whether or not it’s racist to call a person you know nothing about beyond her race and gender a DEI hire.

If DEI hiring is a good thing than being accused of being a DEI hire should not be insulting
 
If DEI hiring is a good thing than being accused of being a DEI hire should not be insulting

Calling someone a DEI hire because of their race and gender without knowing their qualifications is not a reflection on DEI practices, it’s a reflection on whether or not the person making the claim thinks black women can be qualified. It’s as simple as that.
 
Question for mqt, since he is the proud defender of hiring based on discrimination

When an org brags about about hiring based on DEI, should I...

1. Assume they are just kidding, and everything is based on merit?

2. Applaud them for discrimination hiring, but don't accuse them of such? Bc that would be insulting?

I mean when organizations brag about this (along with the ****ing president) don't get mad at me for noticing

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Question for mqt, since he is the proud defender of hiring based on discrimination

When an org brags about about hiring based on DEI, should I...

1. Assume they are just kidding, and everything is based on merit?

2. Applaud them for discrimination hiring, but don't accuse them of such? Bc that would be insulting?

I mean when organizations brag about this (along with the ****ing president) don't get mad at me for noticing

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I didn't take that video to mean the same as libs of TikTok
 
Question for mqt, since he is the proud defender of hiring based on discrimination

When an org brags about about hiring based on DEI, should I...

1. Assume they are just kidding, and everything is based on merit?

2. Applaud them for discrimination hiring, but don't accuse them of such? Bc that would be insulting?

I mean when organizations brag about this (along with the ****ing president) don't get mad at me for noticing

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You’re great at false dichotomies, huh? You can do whatever you want, but I won’t be joining you. I don’t think the way many discuss DEI is the right way and not every “DEI hire” is based on merit. But when you see a white man at a job or university, do you automatically assume it’s nepotism? By your own logic, DEI is run amok and white people are losing any and all opportunities, so I should just assume any white man in a role is unqualified, right?
 
You’re great at false dichotomies, huh? You can do whatever you want, but I won’t be joining you. I don’t think the way many discuss DEI is the right way and not every “DEI hire” is based on merit. But when you see a white man at a job or university, do you automatically assume it’s nepotism? By your own logic, DEI is run amok and white people are losing any and all opportunities, so I should just assume any white man in a role is unqualified, right?

You ca if you want.

My question is simple. If the New Orleans FBI is bragging about DEI hiring, am I supposed to assume they are lying?

Likewise, if you can find any org that is bragging about prioritizing white men over all others, then yes, I would join you in assuming they are less qualified
 
You ca if you want.

My question is simple. If the New Orleans FBI is bragging about DEI hiring, am I supposed to assume they are lying?

Likewise, if you can find any org that is bragging about prioritizing white men over all others, then yes, I would join you in assuming they are less qualified

What if (and this is super crazy) some hiring managers, who are traditionally white men both because of math and actual, honest-to-goodness racism and segregation of the past, have implicit biases that have led them to hire under-qualified white men. What if there were studies showing that even well-meaning folks might have those implicit biases and that you can even fabricate in-groups and get people to have a bias against the fabricated out-group in the course of a single afternoon? What if there are people in minority groups that have just as much talent but were from a school that didn’t have the same advantages that another candidate had? I support DEI initiatives because of these existing biases and inequities. My problem is that I don’t think it needs to be done on the basis of race or any other innate quality of a person, but rather their personal circumstances. For instance, Sasha and Malia Obama will not need preferential treatment to get ahead, but some white kid in Meth-addled West Virginia would. And that’s where I think current practices get a little wonky. Diversity is a strength, but someone like JD Vance provides that diversity just as Kamala Harris did. I still think what’s happening in board rooms across America is a step in the right direction as it recognizes that there’s a gap that needs to be filled in breaking down barriers for those from underprivileged backgrounds. We just need to move toward addressing the actual cause of the issue, which is economic inequality and what poverty does to someone’s potential for growth in our system.
 
What if (and this is super crazy) some hiring managers, who are traditionally white men both because of math and actual, honest-to-goodness racism and segregation of the past, have implicit biases that have led them to hire under-qualified white men. What if there were studies showing that even well-meaning folks might have those implicit biases and that you can even fabricate in-groups and get people to have a bias against the fabricated out-group in the course of a single afternoon? What if there are people in minority groups that have just as much talent but were from a school that didn’t have the same advantages that another candidate had? I support DEI initiatives because of these existing biases and inequities. My problem is that I don’t think it needs to be done on the basis of race or any other innate quality of a person, but rather their personal circumstances. For instance, Sasha and Malia Obama will not need preferential treatment to get ahead, but some white kid in Meth-addled West Virginia would. And that’s where I think current practices get a little wonky. Diversity is a strength, but someone like JD Vance provides that diversity just as Kamala Harris did. I still think what’s happening in board rooms across America is a step in the right direction as it recognizes that there’s a gap that needs to be filled in breaking down barriers for those from underprivileged backgrounds. We just need to move toward addressing the actual cause of the issue, which is economic inequality and what poverty does to someone’s potential for growth in our system.

When Joe Biden announced that the next Supreme Court justice would be a black woman, he immediately shut out of ~93% of potential candidates.

This was discriminatory. It was racist. And it led to a far less qualified person in the position. I know this because if you do not have to out perform 93% of the field, you cannot possible be the best
 
When Joe Biden announced that the next Supreme Court justice would be a black woman, he immediately shut out of ~93% of potential candidates.

This was discriminatory. It was racist. And it led to a far less qualified person in the position. I know this because if you do not have to out perform 93% of the field, you cannot possible be the best

I’ve already agreed with you multiple times that Biden was wrong to limit the search for a SCOTUS Justice to black women and that a court of 9 people needn’t have any specific demographics. That said, the Justice he chose undoubtedly had the qualifications necessary to serve on the nation’s highest court. He didn’t find some new law school graduate. She was qualified in the same way Barrett or Gorsuch was qualified: she was a federal judge with a partisan lean that matched the President’s partisan lean.
 
I’ve already agreed with you multiple times that Biden was wrong to limit the search for a SCOTUS Justice to black women and that a court of 9 people needn’t have any specific demographics. That said, the Justice he chose undoubtedly had the qualifications necessary to serve on the nation’s highest court. He didn’t find some new law school graduate. She was qualified in the same way Barrett or Gorsuch was qualified: she was a federal judge with a partisan lean that matched the President’s partisan lean.

She can't define what a woman is. Over 50% of the population is made up of women. She is unqualified to rule over proceedings involving women or cases that involve protecting the civil rights of women because she doesn't even know what a woman is in the first place. What's scary is she is a woman herself and doesn't even know it. Sounds like a mental health issue to me. Definitely not qualified to be a supreme court justice when she is less educated on sex and gender than a toddler is.
 
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